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    @kent f OBE wrote:

    @terry wrote:

    @kent f OBE wrote:

    Rusty aren’t you the lucky one…you’re entitled to your opinion :lol:
    He graciously said so :roll:

    Kenty (please…) stfu.

    So from me not allowed an opinion it’s gone to me shutting up…I mean stfu…
    You serious? After all your little digs? I have directly answered to some of your posts…that particular one is to Rusty..you feel the need to reply to that one but not the ones to you? Very strange..
    I’m not some little immigrant woman who will go away just because you want me to…believe it or not “we” have opinions and guess what…not scared to talk about them
    Now if you don’t mind …

    Terry’s posts on this thread clearly show his true colours – a racist and a sexist.

    It seems women aren’t allowed opinions.

    *waits patiently for the real, homophobic Terry to emerge.

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    #515993

    Terry is right, anyone who makes a professional decision he doesn’t like or for reasons he doesn’t like should go. Simple as.

    If he doesn’t like the decision it’s pointless waiting for the results of any inquiry which might reveal the bigger story he acknowledges might exist. Simple as.

    I have said something he finds credible or at least possible. Simple as.

    Support of a political movement that he wouldn’t personally join shouldn’t bar you from expressing your point of view, unless it’s the PC Brigade. Simple as.

    Mrs T’s politics don’t matter, but Kenty’s do, as do (in no particular order) Jen’s, Panda’s and whoever else he decides is in the PC brigade. Simple as.

    Someone’s looks are relevant to their decisions about child welfare. Simple as.

    You don’t have to be a member of UKIP to want to defend it regardless of the public statements of its key figures. Simple as.

    Just because you want to defend UKIP against any criticism or accusation, doesn’t mean you trust it enough to become a member. Simple as.

    Telling Kenty to stfu is consistent with a belief in free speech. Simple as.

    Stfu is easier to spell than it is to pronounce (at least in English) because of the way the vowel is placed in relation to the consonants. Simple as.

    #515994

    From the BBC Website:

    Joyce Thacker, earlier defended the decision, saying it was influenced by UKIP’s immigration policy.

    She said: “I have legal advice I have to follow for the placement of children and I was criticised before for not making sure their cultural and ethnic needs were met.

    “If the party mantra is, for example, ending the active promotion of multiculturalism I have to think about that… I have to think of their longer-term needs.

    Ms Thacker added she did not think UKIP was a racist party, but said it had “very clear” immigration policies which she could not ignore.”

    The children are Eastern European migrants. Seems to me she was thinking of their long term needs.

    #515995

    @wordsworth60 wrote:

    Terry is right, anyone who makes a professional decision he doesn’t like or for reasons he doesn’t like should go. Simple as.

    If he doesn’t like the decision it’s pointless waiting for the results of any inquiry which might reveal the bigger story he acknowledges might exist. Simple as.

    I have said something he finds credible or at least possible. Simple as.

    Support of a political movement that he wouldn’t personally join shouldn’t bar you from expressing your point of view, unless it’s the PC Brigade. Simple as.

    Mrs T’s politics don’t matter, but Kenty’s do, as do (in no particular order) Jen’s, Panda’s and whoever else he decides is in the PC brigade. Simple as.

    Someone’s looks are relevant to their decisions about child welfare. Simple as.

    You don’t have to be a member of UKIP to want to defend it regardless of the public statements of its key figures. Simple as.

    Just because you want to defend UKIP against any criticism or accusation, doesn’t mean you trust it enough to become a member. Simple as.

    Telling Kenty to stfu is consistent with a belief in free speech. Simple as.

    Stfu is easier to spell than it is to pronounce (at least in English) because of the way the vowel is placed in relation to the consonants. Simple as.

    Excellent post, Words. =D> =D> =D>

    We should all know by now that only Terry is allowed an opinion. Only Terry can express his views. No one else is allowed to do so.

    #515996

    Our hearts much surely go out to the children involved in this case.

    …if the children were with these foster parents on an ’emergency basis’ as stated in the interview ..then it appears it was never going to be a long term placement.

    Saying that and if the children were settled and happy in the emergency foster caring situation I can’t see the reasoning for moving them on again, well not until the long term permanent placement had been found and agreed upon.

    It would appear these foster parents were doing a good job and had a fine track record with children.

    However. regarding the Social Services I agree with the damned if they do / damned if they don’t comment.

    Its a very sad day indeed.

    #515997

    Already the picture widens and deepens.

    According to the interview in Terry’s link, the children were in an emergency placement, so the children would have been removed from the couple sooner rather than later anyway.
    Long term placement might well have involved splitting up the children. It is common for children to form very strong links with emergency foster parents and the removal to long term care is often very traumatic. The emergency foster carers know this is part of what they signed up for.

    The council had already been criticised by a judge for not giving children’s ethnic and cultural background enough regard. We have to believe the judge was being even more serious than Rusty Trawler when making the criticism. They are bound to act on a judge’s comments.

    Even bearing these two points in mind, Mrs Thacker herself might agree with Terry, but her own views would be irrelevant and she would be speaking in an official capacity. Bound by legal and professional conditions. That might have explained the expression on her face which the UKIP chappy found so unappealing.

    Social Services will tend to act on anonymous complaints even when the issues raised are thin, this is one of many cases that usually go unreported. The reasons for that are unfortunately, not Simple as.

    #515998

    Child protection is a nightmare. The fundamental problem is the one that caused the children to end up in care in the first place. Even if one disagrees with the council’s decision, they are not the bad guys, they are trying to make the best of a bad situation in a climate of decreasing resources, prurient media and increasing litigation.

    The children are eastern European: I would have reservations about leaving children in an environment where they are likely to hear statements antagonistic towards their presence, whether these views are seen as racist or not.

    However I realise that Terry’s views on eastern European immigration cannot in themselves be seen to represent UKIP. He has said he is not a member of any political party, so he might support UKIP as the least unacceptable option and defend them here as the underdog.

    #515999

    Yes. I agree with what you are saying Words ..it is a nightmare and yes maybe there is more to this case than we yet know about.

    In addition

    ” John Simmonds, director of policy and practice at the British Association for Adoption and Fostering, said: “Decisions and plans for children in foster placements must made with great care and often require balancing many different factors – both short term and long term.

    “Any local authority plan for a child should be agreed in review meetings and thoroughly discussed with the foster carers with their views taken into account.

    “It would be extremely unusual for a foster carer’s political views to play any part in this decision making unless there was direct evidence that these views were detrimental to the care of the child.” “

    #516000

    @wordsworth60 wrote:

    Already the picture widens and deepens.

    According to the interview in Terry’s link, the children were in an emergency placement, so the children would have been removed from the couple sooner rather than later anyway.
    Long term placement might well have involved splitting up the children. It is common for children to form very strong links with emergency foster parents and the removal to long term care is often very traumatic. The emergency foster carers know this is part of what they signed up for.

    The council had already been criticised by a judge for not giving children’s ethnic and cultural background enough regard. We have to believe the judge was being even more serious than Rusty Trawler when making the criticism. They are bound to act on a judge’s comments.

    Even bearing these two points in mind, Mrs Thacker herself might agree with Terry, but her own views would be irrelevant and she would be speaking in an official capacity. Bound by legal and professional conditions. That might have explained the expression on her face which the UKIP chappy found so unappealing.

    Social Services will tend to act on anonymous complaints even when the issues raised are thin, this is one of many cases that usually go unreported. The reasons for that are unfortunately, not Simple as.

    My mum was an emergency foster carer … and we had one little boy from 9 days old until he was two and a half (together, eventually, with his three older siblings) … so ’emergency’ is not always such a short-term option.

    I know my opinions on this particular case … and they are a mix of both professional and personal. However, I do not wish to share them on here. I would be happy to discuss them at length with anyone who cares to contact me personally.

    That said: I do agree with the lose:lose situation. If nothing had been done, there would be an outcry … yet something being done has provoked an outcry.

    We are never happy.

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