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24 November, 2012 at 4:06 pm #515961
@jen_jen wrote:
I have mixed feelings on this.
On the one hand I think that all children need is to know they are safe, that their needs will be met, and to be loved.
On the other hand…
When placing children for fostering, social services take into account the fit into the family. The children that were removed were not indigenous white British – the very kind of people that UKIP stand against being in this country, being a party that wants to end the active promotion of multiculturism. We can only assume that this is also important to the couple since they have joined UKIP and unfortunately this wasn’t known at the time that the children were placed. The couple will be allowed to foster other children in the future but presumably only white British.Political and religious views shouldn’t matter unless they are likely to have an adverse effect on the children. Imagine being a child who is already feeling vulnerable, confused, even unloved, then finding yourself with people caring for you who don’t think that you and your parents should have been allowed into the country?
Very thoughtful and eloquent post, Jen Jen.
I can only applaud Rotherham Council’s sensitivities to the issues involved in placing children with suitable caregivers. This is not to say that I concur with their final decision, which may have been rash, as it is possible to support a party and not agree with many of their stated beliefs.
I found it quite frightful when i read the following quote from Michael Gove:
“Rotherham council have made the wrong decision in the wrong way for the wrong reasons. Rotherham’s reasons for denying this family the chance to foster are indefensible,” he said. “The ideology behind their decision is actively harmful to children. We should not allow considerations of ethnic or cultural background to prevent children being placed with loving and stable families. We need more parents to foster, and many more to adopt.
How can a family environment ever be loving or stable if no consideration is made for the ethnic or cultural background of the children in need of sensitive treatment?
24 November, 2012 at 4:13 pm #515962@mrs_teapot wrote:
does that then mean we have check on all peoples politics who deal with ethnic minorities?
A government spokesperson (Michael Gove) has described Rotherham council’s decision as “indefensible”.
And he’s right.
I’m sure there are members of the Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem parties who are foster carers too. Does PC Kenty think they should be removed from parenting too? I use “PC” in the ‘politically correct’ sense as opposed to the ‘police constable’ one.
24 November, 2012 at 4:22 pm #515963@rusty trawler wrote:
I can only applaud Rotherham Council’s sensitivities to the issues involved in placing children with suitable caregivers. This is not to say that I concur with their final decision, which may have been rash, as it is possible to support a party and not agree with many of their stated beliefs.
I found it quite frightful when i read the following quote from Michael Gove:
“Rotherham council have made the wrong decision in the wrong way for the wrong reasons. Rotherham’s reasons for denying this family the chance to foster are indefensible,” he said. “The ideology behind their decision is actively harmful to children. We should not allow considerations of ethnic or cultural background to prevent children being placed with loving and stable families. We need more parents to foster, and many more to adopt.
How can a family environment ever be loving or stable if no consideration is made for the ethnic or cultural background of the children in need of sensitive treatment?
Are you serious? :?
24 November, 2012 at 4:25 pm #515964@terry wrote:
@mrs_teapot wrote:
does that then mean we have check on all peoples politics who deal with ethnic minorities?
A government spokesperson (Michael Gove) has described Rotherham council’s decision as “indefensible”.
And he’s right.
I’m sure there are members of the Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem parties who are foster carers too. Does PC Kenty think they should be removed from parenting too? I use “PC” in the ‘politically correct’ sense as opposed to the ‘police constable’ one.
I think their approach only appears ridiculous when we look at it in extremis. How can it be wrong to be sensitive about placing children with caregivers who may be unwilling to consider their specific needs? Just as it would be incompetent to place a child with learning difficulties with a family that believed that euthanasia for such children would have great economic benefit.
24 November, 2012 at 4:30 pm #515965@terry wrote:
@mrs_teapot wrote:
does that then mean we have check on all peoples politics who deal with ethnic minorities?
A government spokesperson (Michael Gove) has described Rotherham council’s decision as “indefensible”.
And he’s right.
I’m sure there are members of the Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem parties who are foster carers too. Does PC Kenty think they should be removed from parenting too? I use “PC” in the ‘politically correct’ sense as opposed to the ‘police constable’ one.
Would someone please explain to Terry it wasn’t me who made the phone call to Rotherham Coundil to have the children removed. And that having an opinion on one case does not mean I would feel the need to intervene because of anyone elses Political views. Mrs T asked our opinions on a brief statement she made. I made my opinion along with everyone else.
Now if you have a gripe with me over anything else perhaps say it.
I used to think you weren’t a racist, but you know what Terry? I think you are a racist but in denial.
SUE ME TOO ….and just for good measure heres a little :wink:24 November, 2012 at 4:36 pm #515966Joyce Thacker made the decision to remove the children from their carers. After seeing the video (below) as to why she made that decision I couldn’t help but think of her as some kind of Cruella de Ville-type figure.
I agree with Tom Winnifrith’s view;
UKIP questions the idea of multiculturalism. It is not alone. That Trevor Phillips chappy (yes the former head of the Commission for Racial Equality) said that multiculturalism as we have practiced it has failed. UKIP also says that there should be limits on immigration. Again it is not alone. So do the Tories and – on occasion – the Labour party.
But it is multiculturalism that Thacker blathers on about as that is a cornerstone of the beliefs of the State employed managerial class. But to be consistent would she also deny Mr Phillips the right to provide a loving foster home mixed race kids as she has denied UKIP supporters? Of course not.
Why is it that loony left women always look like sour faced old prunes? Does that bitterness, envy and unbending need to interfere and control the lives of others just swell up in you so much that you end up as a distorted caricature: looking as ugly as your actions?
24 November, 2012 at 4:37 pm #515967I’m serious, Terry.
The council had a duty of care to the children. You’ll note that I also stated that I didn’t necessarily share their conclusion, but it would have been completely unforgivable had they knowingly placed them in an environment that wasn’t supportive simply because they were cautious about being defined as part of the politically correct brigade. Looking out for the children’s needs can never be wrong in my book.
24 November, 2012 at 4:45 pm #515968@kent f OBE wrote:
I used to think you weren’t a racist, but you know what Terry? I think you are a racist but in denial.
SUE ME TOO ….and just for good measure heres a little :wink:He’s suing me first. :wink:
24 November, 2012 at 4:47 pm #515969@rusty trawler wrote:
The council had a duty of care to the children. Looking out for the children’s needs can never be wrong in my book.
Well said. At the end of the day, the children are European migrants placed with foster parents who openly support UKIP who are openly against European migrants being in this Country.
It’s a no brainer really.
24 November, 2012 at 4:48 pm #515970@terry wrote:
UKIP questions the idea of multiculturalism. It is not alone. That Trevor Phillips chappy (yes the former head of the Commission for Racial Equality) said that multiculturalism as we have practiced it has failed. UKIP also says that there should be limits on immigration. Again it is not alone. So do the Tories and – on occasion – the Labour party.
But it is multiculturalism that Thacker blathers on about as that is a cornerstone of the beliefs of the State employed managerial class. But to be consistent would she also deny Mr Phillips the right to provide a loving foster home mixed race kids as she has denied UKIP supporters? Of course not.
Why is it that loony left women always look like sour faced old prunes? Does that bitterness, envy and unbending need to interfere and control the lives of others just swell up in you so much that you end up as a distorted caricature: looking as ugly as your actions?
What on earth does what she looks like have to do with it? Wtf would he have said if it was a man? If you have a reasonable argument you don’t need to sink to this level. :roll:
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