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If these reports are true (in fairness, I have only read a brief article syndicated from THE DAILY TELEGRAPH in the world news section of my own paper today).. And yes, only a thorough enquiry will tell us that.. But IF.. Well, God knows.
I guess it’s best to wait for more clarification on the whole sorry tale and what (if any) official action will be taken.
I won’t be holding my breath.
Without that clarification , we will inevitably have the predictable lines drawn. Some less distinct than others naturally. Who knows? Even with the benefit of full disclosure, some may still feel perfectly comfortable in peddling an element of what they see as justifiable deflection.
Such is the muddied morality of our times.At the end of the day, it’s horrific. My heart goes out to these kids and the ultimate assault and betrayal to all that youth promises. God be good to them. And it’s at times like these I reassert my belief in God, assured in the knowledge that when their day comes, the creatures who did this will burn in Hellfire.
My statement is my opinion and presumption Words….I honestly would not expect preferential treatment because of my skin colour/religion and am equally horrified when its taken advantage of by a small minority………the 59 yr old Ringleader shouted “racist ***” to the judge this morning……why? The ringleader and the rest of the gang in my opinion are probably prominent business men in their community and are well aware of racial tensions brewing…and probably know how much publicity their sentencing will cause….also probably will be looking for reasons of appeal………..sad thing is the scum can’t see they are bigging themselves up against racism and NOT THE FACT THEY RAPED AND CONTINUALLY SEXUALLY ABUSED GIRLS AS YOUNG AS 13…that seems to not even be the issue……………arrogant bastards
The police force seems comparable to a corporate business enterprise with senior, middle and lower management structures who all have career aspirations and gilt-edged pension plans. And in some cases – especially during Tony Blair’s time in office – they have influenced government law-making the like of which has never been seen before. And – more despairingly – they’ve become obsessed with targets and league tables rather than effective and proper policing.
@kent f OBE wrote:
It’s tough reading and listening….has left me with a knot in my stomach.
A 15 yr old girl reported the gang in 2008 but the Crown Prosection took no action. Investigations only began in 2010.. Why can’t he be named when he has been convicted when others in the gang can?
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I personaly know 2 different familys that have reported child abuse here in Ireland.
Its shockind and as you said, leaves you with that knot in your stomach when you find out how easly these people fall threw the net.over here the H.S.E went and investigated the men in question, the report came back that there was nothing to report as such.
Now, I personaly know the family of one of the men that were questiond.
The H.S.E basickly just asked this guy if he did “it”. He answerd no..and they took his word for it :shock: :twisted:
It wasnt untill about 3-4 years later when another family report the same guy that they steped up the investiation.
Its compleetly disgusting how somthing like that could have happend.As for naming the guy?? dont qote me..but I think it may have somthing to do with the victom not wanting to be named.
They dont relase the name of the the person to keep the mida from finding out the victoms name.
as I said, dont qote me on that, i just know of simular storires in Ireland where this was the case.A totally abhorrent, vile and disgusting case. So many failures !
In a frank interview with M.E.N. Media, Mr Afzal conceded there had been ‘multiple failures’ in dealing with the case – with police and prosecutors initially failing to understand the crime of sexual grooming and failing to believe the young girl who first came forward in 2008.
He added that social services, schools and the community had to accept blame for what happened to the girls.
He said: “Failures run right through this case. There have been multiple failures, from whoever it is who cares for these children to enable them to be out at 11.30pm on a school day, a failure of the system of education, a failure of those who are neighbours and community members who have seen them at risk and perhaps turned a blind eye, failures of the prosecution and police service which have delayed justice. All of these will be looked at and it won’t necessarily be just us doing that soul-searching. This is a watershed case.
“All of us have a duty when it comes to safeguarding young children. It’s not just about the police and criminal justice system. It’s about making sure this doesn’t happen to anyone. Standing by silently is actually shameful. These girls were extremely vulnerable and extremely available.”
agreed pepsi, some kids are so very vulnerable, its strange really not so many years ago kids could play freely in the streets knowing that in the main they would be safe, why has this kind of crime increased to much do we think ?
@(f)politics? wrote:
agreed pepsi, some kids are so very vulnerable, its strange really not so many years ago kids could play freely in the streets knowing that in the main they would be safe, why has this kind of crime increased to much do we think ?
I think we now hear about things that used to be hidden and we take fewer risks with our children.
My parents gave me dire warnings about talking to strangers and suchlike when I was young, so they must have heard of something. They still let me play out with friends though, disappearing for a whole day at a time on a red bus rover ticket at a ridiculously young age, without mobile or any such way of keeping tabs.
Some of our fear for our children is that abuse from up to a century ago is only just talked about. We’re less in awe of rich people so they can’t necessarily get away with things like they used to. In the meantime our fears increase with greater disclosure.
@kent f OBE wrote:
My statement is my opinion and presumption Words….I honestly would not expect preferential treatment because of my skin colour/religion and am equally horrified when its taken advantage of by a small minority………the 59 yr old Ringleader shouted “racist ***” to the judge this morning……why? The ringleader and the rest of the gang in my opinion are probably prominent business men in their community and are well aware of racial tensions brewing…and probably know how much publicity their sentencing will cause….also probably will be looking for reasons of appeal………..sad thing is the scum can’t see they are bigging themselves up against racism and NOT THE FACT THEY RAPED AND CONTINUALLY SEXUALLY ABUSED GIRLS AS YOUNG AS 13…that seems to not even be the issue……………arrogant bastards
Me disagreeing with what you said about PC doesn’t take away your entitlement to your views Kenty and no-where did I suggest that anyone should be treated preferentially for any reason.
The words of the ringleaders are the last things to take into account. If they are prominent business men, then I would suggest that was at least as big a factor in their eluding capture as any fear of racism, money and influence still talks.
Anything they said to avoid guilt is probably bogus. That they screamed racism is a good indication that it had nothing to do anything and it certainly doesn’t mean in itself that the police were any more afraid of that accusation than they would be of any other cry of “it’s a fit-up” by someone being led off to the cells.
If they cared about the young girls and the consequences of what they were doing, they wouldn’t have done it in the first place. They deserve so much worse than what’s coming to them.
@wordsworth60 wrote:
Anything they said to avoid guilt is probably bogus. That they screamed racism is a good indication that it had nothing to do anything and it certainly doesn’t mean in itself that the police were any more afraid of that accusation than they would be of any other cry of “it’s a fit-up” by someone being led off to the cells.
Tenuous logic at best there in my opinion Words. Methinks police fears for any potential ramifications for maintaining social order would be much more justified in the case of a racist conspiracy being alleged as opposed to a mere “it’s a fit-up” cried from the dock. However I do see where you are going with this and I fully support your approach with regard to perspective and knee jerk reactions when it comes to something as explosive as this.
What is beyond question or supposition is that these reports of police “fear” must be given the closest scrutiny resulting in full disclosure without passion or prejudice. A big ask I know when entering a human minefield such as this. Let’s all hope it’s thorough, transparent and fully accountable before minds that seem to be already made up seek to twist and distort others.
there does eem to be a strong race element to this case, as there was to the murder of Stepehen lawrence. Cop bungling is common to both cases too, though I’d like to kow why the CPS refused tro prosecute when a girl first alerted the police to the fact that she and others were being raped – the refusal of the CPS to act meant that the police dopped the case, and the number of rapes increased).
The race element lies in the fact that these guys treated the girls as plain filth because they were white; similar to the torture and murder of a young lad in Glasgow which was raised on one of thee threads a while back.
Most Asians seem to feel revulsion at these guys, just as white felt repulsion at the racist murders of Stephen Lawrence and others.
The fact is that the BNP and other nativist groups are making hay of this case (the BNP leader’s already nearly wrecked the trial by his tweeting antics). It’s horrible, bevcause 95% of people on teh sexc offenders register are white, and it’s horrible to ahve to give that statistic. Rape is rape, child molesting is crossing one of the biggest lines we have, and it doesn’t mattet what colour you are. Colour shouldn’t come into it.
The cause of the cop bungling has to be explored quickly as well as thoroughly, and acted upon, as Pepperpot said. Children are the victims otherwise.
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