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Name me one invention right now that I use, that I didn’t use before Apple.
You named “downloading music” as one. I was downloading music in the years Apple were bankrupt and struggling to compete with even Amiga.
Someone else mentioned that our inventions weren’t successful until Apple. Um, excuse me? What are you using right now? The internet? Invented by the British military in the 1970s? The World Wide Web was invented by the British and uses the same system and protocols as it did back then.
What other “inventions” did Apple create?
The applemac? Carbon copy of yes.. again.. the Amiga.
The ipod? A glorified Sony Walkman.
Music downloading? We had that in the early 90s with P2P sharing.
Name me ONE invention we use that Apple created. I wouldn’t use a f*cking I-pod if someone PAID me to, nor an AppleMac. Plagiarised, carbon copied, out-dated sh*te the lot of it.
BUT if you read my post properly, you’d see that I said as well as using his money for evil (ie: patenting products he never even invented, buying out smaller companies he plagiarised from etc), he also did A LOT OF GOOD, ie: for charity, and specifically for cancer, so although he’s a jumped up lying little pr*ck, he also had a good heart underneath it all, and therefore has my respect.
Now RIP.
If you’re going to get onto a soapbox at least get onto the right one.
IF you read my posts you’ll see that I mentioned Apple’s innovations, not inventions…there is a difference, and no-one can deny that Apple haven’t been innovative under Jobs’ direction. Those innovations have pushed others to try to be equally innovative in order to compete, which is of benefit to all.
As for downloading music, of course you could download music before the i-pod, I didn’t say that you couldn’t. What I did say was that the material on offer was limited as the music industry didn’t see any potential in the download market. Like the internet in the early days, downloads were seen as something only of interest to geeks and not as a serious market contender. The advent of the i-pod and the subsequent flurry of affordable MP3 players that hit the market to compete and the public’s desire for such gadgets soon made the music industry sit up and take notice and begin to realease more music for the download market, even to the point of doing something that everyone said would never happen…making the Beatles music available to dowload. It may have happened without the advent of the i-pod, but it would have probably taken a lot longer to happen.
As for inventions, I said that the British were responsible for many inventions but weren’t so good at making a commercial success of them. This doesn’t just apply to British inventions either. Yes there are exceptions to the rule, but there are countless examples of this. You mention the internet…actually the precursor to what we now know as the internet was developed in the 60s, not the 70s. It was a British idea which was then developed by both UK and US pioneers. After the proof of concept and the work on packet switching, several countries started work on some aspect of what we now know as the internet. I won’t bore you with the rest of the history of the development of the internet but suffice to say that whilst the original work was started in the UK, what we have now is vastly different from the original concept and could not have been made commercially viable by its inventors or by the British alone.
Now how about grasping the difference between invention and innovation, and the difference between inventing something, then being innovative with that invention, and then making it commercially viable.
As for your definition of evil as applied to Steve Jobs, I suggest you don’t look too closely at any company that produces and sells goods, whatever those goods might be. Even your beloved Sony Walkman hijacked technology developed by Philips.
What a load of old tosh, in the 60s all they had was the sharing of data within the military. It was in the 70s when the concept of the WWW was moved outside of the military into the public, and in the 80s you had the world’s first PBS. And it had nothing to do with Apple nor Steve Jobs.
And I’m afraid you’re wrong, I downloaded entire albums in the 90s before these so-called “catalogues”, and guess what? They were all free!
So you’re saying Apple’s biggest achievement under Steve Jobs is taking something that was already happening, and charging people for it or threaten them with legal action if they didn’t pay? What a fantastic achievement and such a honourable reason to be remembered for. :roll:
@tom wrote:
What a load of old tosh, in the 60s all they had was the sharing of data within the military. It was in the 70s when the concept of the WWW was moved outside of the military into the public, and in the 80s you had the world’s first PBS. And it had nothing to do with Apple nor Steve Jobs.
Pardon me but I didn’t give any credit to Apple or Steve Jobs for the development of the internet. I also said that the precursor to what we now know as the internet was developed in the 60s. That was the invention, then the innovators took the proof of concept and innovated and made it commercially viable.
@tom wrote:
And I’m afraid you’re wrong, I downloaded entire albums in the 90s before these so-called “catalogues”, and guess what? They were all free!
Legally?
@tom wrote:
So you’re saying Apple’s biggest achievement under Steve Jobs is taking something that was already happening, and charging people for it or threaten them with legal action if they didn’t pay? What a fantastic achievement and such a honourable reason to be remembered for. :roll:
He was an innovator. That’s what innovators do, see the potential in something that already exists but is not commercially viable or attractive to the public and turn them around into something we want. They use their business acumen, they take risks and sometimes they succeed and sometimes they fail. If we only allowed the inventors of the products to develop them further we wouldn’t have the telephone, the television, the vacuum cleaner and so many things that we take for granted. We wouldn’t be having this conversation now.
Innovators are achievers, they invest time, money and effort into their products, they help us to move technology on. An innovator like Steve Jobs – and there are others like him – demonstrate to others that in can be done and inspire them. In pushing the boundaries they push other companies to also innovate to compete, otherwise they will stagnate and fail. It’s far more of an achievement than many will be remembered for.
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It’s ok, I won’t be responding any longer :wink:
Back to the original purpose of the the thread…RIP Steve Jobs xx
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@jen_jen wrote:
Innovators are achievers, they invest time, money and effort into their products, they help us to move technology on. An innovator like Steve Jobs – and there are others like him – demonstrate to others that in can be done and inspire them. In pushing the boundaries they push other companies to also innovate to compete, otherwise they will stagnate and fail. It’s far more of an achievement than many will be remembered for.
In laymans terms, I think it can be summed up thusly.
You don’t have to acknowledge that Karl Benz invented the motor car, when you’re appreciating a Porsche.
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