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18 December, 2017 at 2:07 pm #1082897
so once again god has never claimed
So once again, which God?
I hope you mean Thor 😎 he is super cool with his hammer
18 December, 2017 at 2:29 pm #1082899Gosh crumpet, I’d have you dribbling down my chin in no time
Promises promises.
I bet that Thor is great with that hammer.
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18 December, 2017 at 2:34 pm #1082901How does Christianity NOT work with the big Bang and evolution???
You are moving the goalposts Scep. First you say Christianity, then the Christian Church.
Like that bigot Dawkins, you assume that all Christians are creationists.
And you assume all Christians are NOT creationists. I have clearly demonstrated otherwise, not just for Christians either.
Which brings me back to:
What about the many millions of Christians and Muslims that are creationists? have you conveniently forgotten about those? What would they tell their children? Adam and Eve myths?
18 December, 2017 at 2:38 pm #1082903science is a man made term to work out how God did it in my opinion.
God is a man made term to work out how Science explains things, before Science was advanced enough to give answers.
18 December, 2017 at 2:46 pm #1082905I don’t take everything in the bible literley alfi and id never apply everything in the bible literley.If someone sed do you take the bible litterly I would say
<section class=”content”><article><p class=”bodytext”>would say I think that’s the wrong question. I’d say instead that I take the Bible in its ordinary sense, that is, I try to take the things recorded there with the precision I think the writer intended.</p>
<p class=”bodytext”>I realize this reply might also be a bit ambiguous, but here, I think, that’s a strength. Hopefully, my comment will prompt a request for clarification. This is exactly what I want. I’d clarify by countering with a question: “Do you read the sports page literally?â€</p>
<p class=”bodytext”>If I asked you this question, I think you’d pause because there is a sense in which everyone reads the sports page in a straightforward way. Certain factual information is part of every story in that section. However, you wouldn’t take everything written in a woodenly literal way that ignores the conventions of the craft.</p>
<p class=”bodytext”>“Literally?†you might respond. “That depends. If the writer seems to be stating a fact—like a score, a location, a player’s name, a description of the plays leading to a touchdown—then I’d take that as literal. If he seems to be using a figure of speech, then I’d read his statement that way, figuratively, not literally.â€</p>
<p class=”bodytext”>Exactly. Sportswriters use a particular style to communicate the details of athletic contests clearly. They choose precise (and sometimes imaginative) words and phrases to convey a solid sense of the particulars in an entertaining way.</p>
<p class=”bodytext”>Sportswriters routinely use words like “annihilated,†“crushed,†“mangled,†“mutilated,†“stomped,†and “pounded,†yet no one speculates about literal meanings. Readers don’t scratch their heads wondering if cannibalism was involved when they read “the Anaheim Angels devoured the St. Louis Cardinals.â€</p>
<p class=”bodytext”>We recognize such constructions as figures of speech used to communicate in colorful ways events that actually (“literallyâ€) took place. In fact, we never give those details a second thought because we understand how language works.</p>
<p class=”bodytext”>When a writer seems to be communicating facts in a straightforward fashion, we read them as such. When we encounter obvious figures of speech, we take them that way, too.</p>
<p class=”bodytext”>That’s the normal way to read the sports page. It’s also the normal—and responsible—way to read any work, including the Bible. Always ask, “What is this writer trying to communicate?†This is exactly what I’m after when I say, “I take the Bible in its ordinary sense.â€</p>
<p class=”bodytext”>Of course, someone may differ with the clear point the Bible is making. Fair enough. There’s nothing dishonest about disagreement. Or they might think some Christian is mistaken on its meaning. Misinterpretation is always possible. Conjuring up some meaning that has little to do with the words the writer used, though, is not a legitimate alternative.</p>
<p class=”bodytext”>If someone disagrees with the obvious sense of a passage, ask them for the reasons they think the text should be an exception to the otherwise sound “ordinary sense†rule. Their answer will tell you if their challenge is intellectually honest, or if they’re just trying to dismiss biblical claims they simply don’t like.</p></article>
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18 December, 2017 at 2:49 pm #1082907you don’t want to deal with the more grown-up approach.
Do I not? Please explain to me what this “grown-up” approach is?
18 December, 2017 at 3:24 pm #1082910What about the many millions of Christians and Muslims that are creationists? have you conveniently forgotten about those? What would they tell their children? Adam and Eve myths?
At it again, alfie, running away from an answer and then throwing dust all over your tracks. You think I’m going to run all the way around the houses trying to follow every little red herring you lay down? I’ve seen some (no names, no pack drill) go crazy trying to do that.
You may be a ‘genius’ (sic) when it comes to running rings around your own red herrings, but you are crap when it comes to confronting an argument in order to take it further.This is the argument which needs an answer.
What a cheap response. My argument is nothing to do with numbers; it’s to do with compatibility of Christianity with the Big Bang theory. The reason Dawkins and yourself want to identify Christianity with the creationist enemies of science is that you don’t want to deal with the more grown-up approach. Dawkins becomes even more abusive than you when it’s pointed out to him that modern theologians aren’t as primitive as those he attacks. Confront a genuine argument, alfie, don’t crate an aunt sally to knock down.
18 December, 2017 at 3:39 pm #1082912for all people disbelieving in god the bible was not written by god or his son your going off a book written by peoples versions of the man they met so i challenge all of you to write a book 1005 authentic about every conversation you’ve had with a person you’ve met so once again god has never claimed to punish anyone as hes never revealed himself
Paige, I agree with most of your post. I’m glad you’re not letting alfie send you into a spin.
So this is food for thought?
I’m assuming that you’re talking about the Christian God, and the inconsistencies within the four gospels.
I could write about the authorship of these gospels. It seems that only John (arguably) was a direct witness, and the other three are using the parables and miracles which were passed on by word of mouth in the earliest Christian communities, together with a (generally) coherent story of the Passion. john spends a lot of time trying to establish the exact timing and location of the events, and claims that Jesus visited Jerusalem three time,, not the one time recorded by the other three (the synoptic gospels) Most people now agree that it was john who got the date of the crucifixion right; the other three are out by a day or so.
The problem I want to raise is the trigger for the crucifixion – the event whihc led to the decision to kill Jesus. John gives the raising of lazarus as the trigger; the enws that he had raised someone who had been dead for three days spread like wildfire and led to the crowds which greeted Jesus on his arrival in Jerusalem with palms. They also led directly toe the Sanhedrin which declared that Jesus had to die. The week he spent in Jerusalem is on of hiding and sudden appearances in safe places – a fugitive.
If Lazarus was so important, why do the other three gospels not even mention his existence? Luke has a Lazarus, but as part of a parable (Lazarus was a common name). Mark (now generally regarded as the first of the synoptic gospels to be written – Matthew and Luke use him a lot) doesn’t mention Lazarus, and sees the trigger of the crucifixion as being the overturning of the tables in the Temple. John records this overturning as taking place two years earlier, when Jesus first visited Jerusalem. Matthew gives a vague indication that the trigger was the overturning of the tables, and Luke doesn’t give any indication as to whether there was a trigger.
Something to think about, Paige, or Nemesis, or Linda, or anyone else who is genuinely interested rather than looking for a cheap putdown.
18 December, 2017 at 3:45 pm #1082914Psycho Babble wrote: What about the many millions of Christians and Muslims that are creationists? have you conveniently forgotten about those? What would they tell their children? Adam and Eve myths?
running away from an answer
Yes you clearly are.
I have concrete questions which you are failing to answer.
You have made a statement, a statement does NOT require an answer
Besides, my questions came chronologically first, surely it makes sense to work chronologically.
And you talk about a grown up approach? You need to grow up old man x
18 December, 2017 at 7:21 pm #1082920the argument on lazarus seems very important for Christiinaity..
I’d be very interested in a serious opinion.
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