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The Klan’s crimes were done in the name of Christianity. It wasn’t a freak event. Southern Christians in the US interpreted the Bible in explicitly racist terms, while their opponents interpreted the Bible in strictly anti-racist terms.
I have seen film of US Roman Catholic priests blessing with Holy Water the planes armed with napalm used to burn up huge numbers of ordinary Vietnamese; other Carthlic,s like the Berrigan brothers, US Catholic priests, leading the burning of draft cards by anti-war protestors.
That’s the point, Norfolk, whihc your posts haven’t grasped.
It comes down to interpretation. The Koran and the Bible have been and are interpreted differently by different groups. Some interpret them in savage, violent ways – the klan and ISIS, for example.
Others interpret them in very gentle ways – the Sufis and many other among Moslems and many individual Christians.
I’ve pointed out before that you interpret the Koran in a way that only the most hardline ISIS militants interpret it. There are other, gentler, more tolerant ways of practising Islam, as well as the harsh sharia code imposed with terror in many other places.
Ms Kenty on this site has written excellent posts on this – she’s not a doctrinal follower of the Sikh religion, but she follows its guidelines of love pragmatically. Most people follow their religion like that.
people read different things into their religion. The Klan professes Christiannty, as ISIS professes Islam.
They can both be professed in different ways.
The reason is that both the Bible and the Koran are capable of being
Sorry, I feel very weakened by this flu. I won’t be able to answer you for a while.
Did you know that retired pilots suffer from flew? LOL
The Klan’s crimes were done in the name of Christianity. It wasn’t a freak event. Southern Christians in the US interpreted the Bible in explicitly racist terms, while their opponents interpreted the Bible in strictly anti-racist terms. I have seen film of US Roman Catholic priests blessing with Holy Water the planes armed with napalm used to burn up huge numbers of ordinary Vietnamese; other Carthlic,s like the Berrigan brothers, US Catholic priests, leading the burning of draft cards by anti-war protestors. That’s the point, Norfolk, whihc your posts haven’t grasped. It comes down to interpretation. The Koran and the Bible have been and are interpreted differently by different groups. Some interpret them in savage, violent ways – the klan and ISIS, for example. Others interpret them in very gentle ways – the Sufis and many other among Moslems and many individual Christians. I’ve pointed out before that you interpret the Koran in a way that only the most hardline ISIS militants interpret it. There are other, gentler, more tolerant ways of practising Islam, as well as the harsh sharia code imposed with terror in many other places. Ms Kenty on this site has written excellent posts on this – she’s not a doctrinal follower of the Sikh religion, but she follows its guidelines of love pragmatically. Most people follow their religion like that. people read different things into their religion. The Klan professes Christiannty, as ISIS professes Islam. They can both be professed in different ways. The reason is that both the Bible and the Koran are capable of being Sorry, I feel very weakened by this flu. I won’t be able to answer you for a while.
It doesn’t matter what they did it in the name of, there is no text in the bible encouraging people with white hats to burn black people at stakes. There is however direct references in the Quran to killing infidels ( non muslims) wherever you find them. Why are you using the crimes of what you perceive from one religion to mitigate another religion anyway- two wrongs making a right and all that? Even if we accept that Christianity is an evil cult like Islam, what has that to do with half of the 3.5 million muslims on these shores wanting UK law ripped up replaced with sharia law which encourages abusing woman, molesting underage children and not integrating with western life. 52% of muslims want to see homosexuals arrested for eg, 32 % which is over 1 million people think that western life should be brought to an end with it being decadent /immoral. What the hell has that to do with the klan or any transgressions of Christians.. can you name any recent terrorist activity carried out with someone quoting the bible or anything to do with Christianity?
You’re attempting to defend a cult based on a middle aged man married to a 9 year old child preaching vitriol to all those who don’t subscribe to that cult using egs of other wrongs apparently mitigating this. Would you defend a criminal in court by saying, it’s ok your honour as the neighbour down the road is far worse so go easy on him.
How many Christians do you see on marches like this in the Uk and how else can that be ” interpreted ”
Then we have someone carrying a cross, hardly an offensive act from this evil right wing group you claim and this is the reaction… one group is allowed to march through the uk demanding we all burn in hell for not being muslims, the other group is arrested by police for offending the “religion of peace”
You keep implying that it’s a tiny minority of muslims but it isn’t .. HALF want uk laws replaced with sharia law. Is that a tiny minority to you , over 1.5 muslims living in the UK?
If the majority of muslims are all “moderate ” as you infer, the best way to test this is to compare muslim countries operating under sharia law to reflect the respective values within these countries comparing them to “Christian countries” containing these klan members you refer to. A current list of these moderate countries wishing to send people to the Uk bringing their ” values ” include.. Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Mauritania.
If there is no distinguishable difference between a “Christian” way of life and our muslim counterparts feel free to visit these charming destinations and send a postcard with your findings.. good luck, let us know how you get on.
The Southern Bible Belt takes its Christianity seriously.
It’s not a question of the text. It’s a question of how you read and interpret the text. Words are but counters, to be taken seriously by fools as Hobbes once said.
The New Testament forbids vengeance killing, but that’s never stopped Christians from carrying it out. Most Protestants accept the Old Testament as equal with the New (I was once called Satan for saying that it wasn’t – and people have always found ways of getting around words by quoting different parts – An eye for an eye, the Lord Giveth and John Wayne Taketh Away.
The Catholic Church presided over the Inquisition, but they never actually endorsed the burning of heretics. They merely tried to save the ehretic’s soul, and then handed the sinner over to the State for burning. Theoretically they remained innocent of killing – but it was a fiction. The act of burning was carried out by catholic rulers; the Church never tried to stop them.
You’re obsessed with words, Norfolk, and you interpret them in a way whihc you want to interpret them.
Again, look at Ms K’s eminently sensible posts for a different approach
I am not attracted to Islam, and I oppose sharia law courts which operate outside UK law. The breaches should be investigated more efficiently. I have no idea how many moderates there are, but you have to work with them if you want to be efficient. The last way to work with them is to carry out vigilante “Christian patrols” and infringing religious worship.
The Southern Bible Belt takes its Christianity seriously. It’s not a question of the text. It’s a question of how you read and interpret the text. Words are but counters, to be taken seriously by fools as Hobbes once said. The New Testament forbids vengeance killing, but that’s never stopped Christians from carrying it out. Most Protestants accept the Old Testament as equal with the New (I was once called Satan for saying that it wasn’t – and people have always found ways of getting around words by quoting different parts – An eye for an eye, the Lord Giveth and John Wayne Taketh Away. The Catholic Church presided over the Inquisition, but they never actually endorsed the burning of heretics. They merely tried to save the ehretic’s soul, and then handed the sinner over to the State for burning. Theoretically they remained innocent of killing – but it was a fiction. The act of burning was carried out by catholic rulers; the Church never tried to stop them. You’re obsessed with words, Norfolk, and you interpret them in a way whihc you want to interpret them. Again, look at Ms K’s eminently sensible posts for a different approach I am not attracted to Islam, and I oppose sharia law courts which operate outside UK law. The breaches should be investigated more efficiently. I have no idea how many moderates there are, but you have to work with them if you want to be efficient. The last way to work with them is to carry out vigilante “Christian patrols” and infringing religious worship.
I’ll ask you again as you failed to see or respond:
If there is nothing to fear from the religion of peace, why are countries steeped in Islam operating under sharia law full of carnage /murder/rape of women ?
Why do over half the UK muslims here want homosexuals thrown in prison?
Why do half the muslims here want sharia law in the UK replacing UK law if they are so “moderate”? The definition of moderate isn’t ripping up a countries law system replacing it with your own incompatible with civilised living.
If banning muslims is so “bad”, why do 16 muslim countries ban Israelies … because of their religion. If that’s not hypocrisy what is?
If Islam is culturally compatible with the west as you imply , why do 11 muslim countries still execute gay people?
If Islam is compatible with the west, why do muslim countries have taharrush called the rape game and where “bacha bazi ” is carried out involving old men having sex with young children… rotheram may ring some bells
Why do muslims not share the blame collectively for the values their dark age cult brings , but blame western people collectively for the actions of governments ?
Why do muslims state Islam is a religion of “peace” yet threaten to kill people who say it isn’t?
If Islam is a religion of peace, why does the Quran contain 109 passages calling for Muslims to wage war and kill non believers?
If terrorism is a backlash to foreign government policy , why are most victims from the religion of peace… other muslims?
Why do Muslims get hysterical about burka bans when if a foreigner visited a muslim country in a bikini they would be thrown in prison?
Why do muslims continue to scream racism when Islam isn’t a race?
If the west is so selfish not taking in enough Syrian refugees, why have the 5 wealthiest muslim countries not taken in a single one? How is that indicative of a loving peaceful religion?
If the west is so oppressive /Islamophobic , why do 50 millions of the bastards live here ?
Rather than quote dogma from hundreds of years go coming from the Christian church talking about Spanish inquisitions /ku klux klan members , why not live in the present and answer these questions.
You state you are against sharia law , so the 1.5 million muslims out of the 3 million here who want sharia law are fine then? Have you any actual answers to these questions other than rolling back the history books hundreds of years to answer problems in modern day society which involve muslims not Christians slaughtering people in the name of religion.. I suspect not.
Why is there a “fear” to discuss religion in public nowadays? I am proud to say I am Sikh and proud to say I follow….though I am not a baptised Sikh….some parts of my life involve my religion…. I am not a nutter (not when it comes to religion anyway) …very normal person lives a very normal life Its interesting to ask questions about religions….I don’t mean people should ask me…I mean I ask others questions if I am interested….I love going to different culture weddings….its cool to experience things in life…for me anyway
There is a ” fear ” to discuss religions like Islam, because if you state views which don’t align with the prophet muhammed you will be threatened with beheading .. who wouldn’t be fearful of that? Travel to a muslim country and discuss Islam coming from a sceptical stance and see how you get on with such a tolerant faith to non believers.
There is a ” fear ” to discuss religions like Islam, because if you state views which don’t align with the prophet muhammed you will be threatened with beheading
If any Muslims read your account of the Prophet, Norfolk, you are well and truly fu**ed.
The fatwa they issue on you will unit the Shi’a and Sunni sects of Islam.
Knowing the fate of editors of magazines which publish insulting cartoons of the prophet,, Martin should be seeking a very good hiding place.
I actually agree with what you say on Christianity Sceptical, it has contributed to the murder of countless people but my stance is you have to compare both religions at equal stages of their evolution.. comparing 21st century Islam to 12th century Christianity crusades is like comparing apples and oranges. One has moved with the times to an extent, one hasn’t. It’d be like comparing medical fields in the Uk to the states saying the US is far superior because in the UK we put leeches on people circa 1850. I’m not particularly angry, just call a spade a spade and as you mentioned lifes finite so am fairly blunt to the point with things- no intention of appearing thuggish. I read what you write, along with others and quote passages I disagree with, no personal issue with you on here. Bar any Islamic extremism ( or Christian extremism) I will be back next week. I try to ignore Q, he appears on countless threads giggling like a school girl with either lame jokes or phrases he’s found on social media which apparently give us all a purpose to life.
Actually, I don’t think Christianity ever killed anyone, with the exception of its founder.
I think the Klan has killed people, and the Klan genuinely believe themselves to be Christian. I think the Christian churches have sanctioned a lot of killing, and have cause a phenomenal amount of pain and suffering, but that’s because of the way they understood Christianity at the time.
The same goes for Islam. Not all Muslims interpret islam in the way that ISIS and the radical jihadis who are going to be coming after your head once they read your posts. In fact, it’s Muslims who have been largely killed by the radicals, just as the Christians killed other Christians (black Americans lynched and m7utilated by the Klan were probably Christian too).
Scep if I have facts right think Klan also considered white supremacy race. Oops I spell that right. Hee ..
Genius supposedly and a group too control other whites and actions. Wanted own rules…
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