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The real question is not does god exist the real question is what would be gained by god revealing themselves
Of course the real question is whether God exists, it’s like saying ” The real question is not if the tooth fairy exists but what would be gained by him sitting on your pillow holding a tooth”. There is the balance of probability showing no God so it’s existence is the main issue
Exactly paigey, why should or would they, all will be revealed…
because if the bible is to be believed, God is a narcissist megalomaniac demanding all people believe in him or burn in hell. That strikes me as a being which demands adulation or the consequences could be a holiday down south where the climate gets rather warm.
That’s just a misunderstanding. You’re mixing up God’s creation of a universe and God’s interaction with an already created universe
My post was never about the ‘creation’ of the universe.
Therefore, in measuring the universe, we are measuring God’s creation.
No, you have to prove that God exists before you can prove that God created the universe.
Secondly, as alfie points out, religions claim that God did interact with the universe. God appeared to Moses and (in Islam) to Mohammed.
Claims that have never been verified, which would be trivially easy to do if they were true.
In Christianity, God appears as a man, who was rejected and killed by men.
There is no mainstream branch in christianity in which God is killed by a human. What does it even mean to kill a being that exists outside of time and space?
That means that god appeared at a particular point in space and time, and therefore it is possible for historical evidence to be gathered which can disprove that Jesus actually existed and did the things he claimed. So far History hasn’t been able to disprove this; quite the contrary.
There is no evidence that Jesus existed, even if there were. It does nothing to prove he was anything other than a normal human. As far as I know, the only part of the bible that has been proven to be true is that the remains of human sacrifices have been found in the general area thought to be described as Caanan. The bible describes the Canaanites as people who worshiped the god Moloch (one of many other gods that exist in the bible) by human sacrifice. This doesn’t even prove that Caanan existed, there are no cities, or other evidence of that part of the world being significantly populated at that time. Just that there was a small tribe who had some form of ritual involving human bodies.
Whether Jesus existed is irrelevant , what is relevant is whether he was ” the son of God”. Most historians accept there probably was a figure existing round this time called Jesus who was most likely a travelling trickster elevated to divine/holy status perpetuating a myth he was the son of “God”
Free will does exist if you go against social structure and go against the law and go against society in general.
I had to do my mums shopping just now in asda, I danced around with my earphones on, I got funky I boogied on down and everyone looked at me as if I was some freak but some just ignored me and some just smiled, and I really didn’t care what any of them think because I live in Cambridge now and even if I didn’t live in Cambridge this is my home town and I still don’t care. I could have bumped into ex boyfriends ex school friends ex friends.
So I may have looked stupid and I may have embarrassed myself but do you know what?
I really did stop caring about what people thought about me a very long long time ago and I will be who I am what I am and if I’m not accepted then that is other peoples problem, it is not mine.
Free will exists to those who choose to exploit it.
No of course I cant shove a raw chicken in my bag grope someones backside and shout GOD IS EVIL whilst removing all my clothes without being arrested but we still do to some extent have free will.
No one can decide what we think or how we feel. Free will does exist albeit in small measures. We conform but we don’t have to conform in every single thing we do. We are still individuals if we choose to just forget what other people think or judge us to be.
Although limited we can still exercise free will without being arrested.
Free will does exist if you go against social structure and go against the law and go against society in general.
Free will is the idea that if unknowingly placed into identical situations a person could make different choices each time.
This requires that the brain has functionality outside of its biological and chemical components. The laws of physics dictate that given the same state of molecules, electrons, ect inside of the brain, and given the same environmental input, the brain must always make the same choice. It can never do anything else, it is predetermined by the state of the universe at that point in time.
The is no evidence that suggests this isn’t the case.
Whether Jesus existed is irrelevant , what is relevant is whether he was ” the son of God”. Most historians accept there probably was a figure existing round this time called Jesus who was most likely a travelling trickster elevated to divine/holy status perpetuating a myth he was the son of “God”
Historians aren’t scientists, history isn’t a science. I don’t care much what they accept or not. There is no evidence that Jesus existed, so there is no reason to believe that he did.
(The bible also says that there was more than one Jesus, most people seem to ignore this)
The crusades were hundreds of years ago and bear no relevance to Christianity in the 21st century.
Deus vult!
My philosophy is
No one is better than me regardless of their education confidence looks or personality
No one knows about religion or god more than I do after I spent my whole life thanking god for all that I have and never asking for anything and often feeling scared of offending him so I behaved just to see for myself that when you really need him he ignores you.
People who are religious do not understand that when you try to force it on people we find it hurtful and offensive. You are so busy thinking about how you feel because you find comfort in it you do not understand the so many of us who find it a difficult painful topic to discuss. You expect us to respect your beliefs but what about us? So then you call us cruel evil and nasty? We have ALL LOST LOVED ONES. Its a fact of life – people die.
The death of someone you love is not exclusive.
No one is me
No one can manipulate control or tell me what I am
I am me.
And I RESENT the people who keep saying that I am a mouthpiece for my friends and speak on behalf of others and that people are feeding me what to say.
I wont be made to feel like my comments ‘ruined’ a ‘caring’ thread from one friend to another I will not be made to feel guilty.
I am sorry for your loss but most people have had a loss of a loved one. Do it privately and between one good friend to another, don’t put it on the boards a public arena then abuse and insult people who feel like its not fair when everyone has lost someone and you actually are disrespecting all of us by making out your loss is any bigger of a deal than ours.
I will get hated for this post but hey, I danced round asda earlier so I guess I will get over it
Whether Jesus existed is irrelevant , what is relevant is whether he was ” the son of God”. Most historians accept there probably was a figure existing round this time called Jesus who was most likely a travelling trickster elevated to divine/holy status perpetuating a myth he was the son of “God”
History isn’t science. There is no evidence that Jesus existed, so there is no reason to believe that he did. (The bible also says that there was more than one Jesus, most people seem to ignore this)
Where did I say ” there is evidence Jesus existed”? I stated many historians accept there probably was a figure called Jesus. History is everything including a history of sciences.
Free will does exist if you go against social structure and go against the law and go against society in general.
Free will is the idea that if unknowingly placed into identical situations a person could make different choices each time. This requires that the brain has functionality outside of its biological and chemical components. The laws of physics dictate that given the same state of molecules, electrons, ect inside of the brain, and given the same environmental input, the brain must always make the same choice. It can never do anything else, it is predetermined by the state of the universe at that point in time. The is no evidence that suggests this isn’t the case.
Define free will.
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