Rape

This is barking.

This is (as far as I can tell) the ONLY criminal compensation awards which don’t take alcohol into account.

If you are blind drunk, get mugged cos you are incapable of standing, your award is reduced (should you get any) because of the condition YOU PLACED YOURSELF IN.

“Drunk” doesnt jus happen, you make it happen.

Rape is a heinous, evil act BUT you get so drunk you can’t stand and lose all power of rational thought and action, then you must accept part responsibility for placing yourself in that position IF that is the circumstances you found yourself in.

Ok everyone, look at it another way.

IF you went out, n left your front door open and 3 windows open and were burgled- who would you firstly blame? Yourself for being so feckin stupid in not locking the house up- the scrote who nicked your stuff is at fault, but you contributed by not being careful in what you did.

Now how is getting so drunk you can’t even stand so different?

Have you never heard of personal responsibility..or is it always everyone else’s fault?

Would you walk through Wandsworth or Tower Hamlets in a BNP T shirt? Would you drive at 90 mph with your eyes closed? Would you drive when drunk? If I drink so much tonight, fall over the cat n break my leg/arm/neck- whose fault is it- the cats or mine? Its mine for being so drunk I couldnt even walk straight

If you get blind drunk, so drunk as to make you incapable of rational thought, ANYTHING which happens to you is wrong, but anything which happens to you is more likely to happen because of your behaviour. It doesnt make it right but it makes it a darn sight more probable- how can compensation be awarded if you have contributed to your own situation

FACT- Alcohol reduces your reactions
FACT- Alcohol dulls senses
FACT- Alcohol reduces fear
FACT- Alcohol reduces the capacity for rational decisions

Now tell me again why its such a good idea?

I am sick of our society abdicating responsibility for its actions by believing it can do what it likes, when it likes, to whatever extreme it likes…..n when it goes wrong, it is always someone elses fault.

@slayer wrote:

Have you never heard of personal responsibility..or is it always everyone else’s fault?

Would you walk through Wandsworth or Tower Hamlets in a BNP T shirt? Would you drive at 90 mph with your eyes closed? Would you drive when drunk? If I drink so much tonight, fall over the cat n break my leg/arm/neck- whose fault is it- the cats or mine? Its mine for being so drunk I couldnt even walk straight

If you get blind drunk, so drunk as to make you incapable of rational thought, ANYTHING which happens to you is wrong, but anything which happens to you is more likely to happen because of your behaviour. It doesnt make it right but it makes it a darn sight more probable- how can compensation be awarded if you have contributed to your own situation

FACT- Alcohol reduces your reactions
FACT- Alcohol dulls senses
FACT- Alcohol reduces fear
FACT- Alcohol reduces the capacity for rational decisions

Now tell me again why its such a good idea?

I am sick of our society abdicating responsibility for its actions by believing it can do what it likes, when it likes, to whatever extreme it likes…..n when it goes wrong, it is always someone elses fault.

Your comments are fair enough slayer but have slightly deviated from the original question which was should the sentence be reduced for rape if you are drunk @ the time.

Sorry rape is rape – if some sick barsteward decides he’s going to force his attention on you pished or sober NO is NO.
The definition of rape – to force someone to have sexual intercourse.

In my humble opinion drunk or sober NO means exactly that.

And yes, we do all have a responsibilty to ourselves but, tell me this how can a rape victim be responsible for the actions of some sicko who sets out with the sole intention of violating another human being??

If we dug deep enough we could get on to the he/she was asking for it road & then there’s the poor sods that are wrongly accused of rape when the effects of the beer goggles have worn off & a drunken one night stand becomes a false accusation of rape …… there’s another subject entirely there.

I would be interseted in your responses if it was your nearest & dearest affected – would you say it’s your own fault you were drunk ???????

Me thinks not …… think you might want someones balls on a stick!

@Man in Beds wrote:

@t H R O B S T A wrote:

It’s not Rape if the dog wags it’s tail!

I don’t know what kind of women you mingle with but the women I had the pleasure, or displeasure, to have had carnal knowledge with haven’t had a tail.
I admit that some of the women were dogs but I can assure you that, firstly, not one of them had a tail and, secondly, if any of them had barked NO my pecker would have understood the meaning of it.
It’s blokes like you who give us men a bad name. It’s blokes like you who with an attitude like yours who overcrowd our prisons and I say keep you and your ilk locked up and let you lot rot behind bars.

MIB Get yourself off to STD, she’s in there, I think Roni might wag her tail.

@sharongooner wrote:

You came very close to almost saying “she asked for it” Slayer!

If we cross the road and get hit by a car it must be our fault because roads are dangerous places and we have put ourselves in danger.

Sharon, crossing the roads with your eyes shut…?

I must be losing the plot here as I cannot see what the problem is.

I am NOT saying anyone who drinks who is then raped is the one at fault or is “asking for it”

I AM saying anyone who drinks beyond the ability to make any sort of physical or mental movement places themselves in a very vulnerable position by their own volition- as I said, you wouldnt leave your car parked in Tesco’s with all the windows wound down and then wonder why some scrote had nicked you car stereo!

As such, try getting ANY insurance money in the above event? You wouldnt get a bean- and that is my point.

If you deliberately place yourself in a position of extreme vulnerability and risk- a position which you had total control over before you voluntarily chose to get bladdered- you should recognise that the risk sits with you- the crime, the evil scum who commits it- thats nothing to do with you and never your “fault” but the onus to ensure you remain safe always sits with you as an individual first- n thats whatever crime may be perpetrated on you.

So should any victim, of any crime, receive the same amount of compensation when they have deliberately placed themselves in that position- whether it be rape, assualt, burglary, mugging, etc? Not in my eyes.

Rape is an evil crime and much more about power than about sex but it is naive beyond reason not to understand the society we live in and the dangers it holds.

I still find it amazing that anyone, ,male or female, walks home alone after a night out but time and again on our local paper will be reports of sexual or physical assualt “as they walked home alone”- if it isnt safe, why put yourself in that position? Why then make it a thousand times worse by drinking so you can hardly stand and stop making any rational decisions?