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4 August, 2012 at 12:13 am #506084
what stats ? and what nonsense
4 August, 2012 at 12:16 am #506085also
Myth: When it comes to sex, some people say ‘no’; but they really mean ‘yes’.
Fact: No means no but sometimes people may be too frightened to say anything. This doesn’t mean they are consenting to sex.Definately a true myth i always say no and mean yes, cos i’m shy :oops:
4 August, 2012 at 12:20 am #506086I forgot to add, I rarely wear skirts, if I do it’s a business suit. I never wear dresses. I don’t tumble out of nightclubs drunk because I don’t go to them. I have a few drinks in the pub and can say although I won’t be sober, I won’t be totally inebriated either at the end of the evening.
Should I therefore go around with the smug belief, thanks to some on this thread and that poster, that I am less likely to get raped?
4 August, 2012 at 12:24 am #506087@(f)politics? wrote:
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Myth: When it comes to sex, some people say ‘no’; but they really mean ‘yes’.
Fact: No means no but sometimes people may be too frightened to say anything. This doesn’t mean they are consenting to sex.Definately a true myth i always say no and mean yes, cos i’m shy :oops:
I’m glad you find it a joking matter. :roll:
Pretty insensitive don’t you think give the subject matter.
4 August, 2012 at 12:26 am #506088no joke was a totally serious reply, or because you posted the myth and fact it has to be right ?
my post was merely to say your myth can be truth not myth4 August, 2012 at 8:42 am #506089Hmmmm interesting post and lots to say, but most has already been said, of which, I agree whole-heartedly with.
I am, though going to pick up on one point, which happened to me (I am not saying anything else hasn’t, but I want to type this anyway)…………Sitting in my kitchen, completely sober, 7pm, knock on the door, male-friend on the doorstep who had heard that hubby was away, to be hospitable I offered him a beer, next thing I knew he was lungeing at me, phone went off, cold-caller, I pretended it was a m8, and talked to the automated service, moment avoided and he left! I suppose one could argue I shouldn’t have offered him a beer?! I dunno.
So, basically, I agree with both sides of your arguements! :?
4 August, 2012 at 9:38 am #506090@panda12 wrote:
I forgot to add, I rarely wear skirts, if I do it’s a business suit. I never wear dresses. I don’t tumble out of nightclubs drunk because I don’t go to them. I have a few drinks in the pub and can say although I won’t be sober, I won’t be totally inebriated either at the end of the evening.
Should I therefore go around with the smug belief, thanks to some on this thread and that poster, that I am less likely to get raped?
Do you feel smug when you check the windows are shut, set the burglar alarm and lock the door before you leave home? It won’t necessarily prevent you being burgled but it’s a precaution you take.
Do you feel smug when you park your car on a well-lit and busy main road rather than that quiet little side road, make sure valuables are out of sight and lock your car? It won’t necessarily prevent your car being broken into or stolen but it’s a precaution you take.
And if you take precautions for your own personal safety, there is still no guarantee that you won’t be mugged or raped but you take them anyway…don’t you?
I’ll still be going out with my short skirts (a little above the knee, I’m not young enough for the short short skirts!) and I’ll still wear the tops that give a hint of cleavage…why shouldn’t I? But I won’t get so drunk that I can’t even focus on a hand in front of my face and stand no chance of spotting the danger signs of a predator watching me or trying to separate me from my friends…or so drunk that by the time I realise something is happening it’s too late and my reactions are so dulled that I can’t do anything about it. Smug? No. Taking precautions that minimise the risk? Yes.
Yes more should be done to address the perpetrator (not always male), I think all women would agree with that. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be warning the young women too…if we don’t, if we brush the effects of alcohol under the carpet, if we pretend that a young woman scantily clad and so drunk that she can’t see the signs and/or defend herself isn’t seen by the perpetrator as the sign of an easy victim, what will we then say to her when she is attacked, like the woman in the video? It’s not her fault there are twisted people out there, it’s not her fault that she became a victim, but it is our fault if we don’t open her eyes to the dangers…it’s the least we can do.
4 August, 2012 at 10:52 am #506091@jen_jen wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
I forgot to add, I rarely wear skirts, if I do it’s a business suit. I never wear dresses. I don’t tumble out of nightclubs drunk because I don’t go to them. I have a few drinks in the pub and can say although I won’t be sober, I won’t be totally inebriated either at the end of the evening.
Should I therefore go around with the smug belief, thanks to some on this thread and that poster, that I am less likely to get raped?
Do you feel smug when you check the windows are shut, set the burglar alarm and lock the door before you leave home? It won’t necessarily prevent you being burgled but it’s a precaution you take.
Do you feel smug when you park your car on a well-lit and busy main road rather than that quiet little side road, make sure valuables are out of sight and lock your car? It won’t necessarily prevent your car being broken into or stolen but it’s a precaution you take.
And if you take precautions for your own personal safety, there is still no guarantee that you won’t be mugged or raped but you take them anyway…don’t you?
I’ll still be going out with my short skirts (a little above the knee, I’m not young enough for the short short skirts!) and I’ll still wear the tops that give a hint of cleavage…why shouldn’t I? But I won’t get so drunk that I can’t even focus on a hand in front of my face and stand no chance of spotting the danger signs of a predator watching me or trying to separate me from my friends…or so drunk that by the time I realise something is happening it’s too late and my reactions are so dulled that I can’t do anything about it. Smug? No. Taking precautions that minimise the risk? Yes.
Yes more should be done to address the perpetrator (not always male), I think all women would agree with that. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be warning the young women too…if we don’t, if we brush the effects of alcohol under the carpet, if we pretend that a young woman scantily clad and so drunk that she can’t see the signs and/or defend herself isn’t seen by the perpetrator as the sign of an easy victim, what will we then say to her when she is attacked, like the woman in the video? It’s not her fault there are twisted people out there, it’s not her fault that she became a victim, but it is our fault if we don’t open her eyes to the dangers…it’s the least we can do.
Well said jen jen.. I totally agree =D>
4 August, 2012 at 11:21 am #506092@jen_jen wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
I forgot to add, I rarely wear skirts, if I do it’s a business suit. I never wear dresses. I don’t tumble out of nightclubs drunk because I don’t go to them. I have a few drinks in the pub and can say although I won’t be sober, I won’t be totally inebriated either at the end of the evening.
Should I therefore go around with the smug belief, thanks to some on this thread and that poster, that I am less likely to get raped?
Do you feel smug when you check the windows are shut, set the burglar alarm and lock the door before you leave home? It won’t necessarily prevent you being burgled but it’s a precaution you take.
Do you feel smug when you park your car on a well-lit and busy main road rather than that quiet little side road, make sure valuables are out of sight and lock your car? It won’t necessarily prevent your car being broken into or stolen but it’s a precaution you take.
And if you take precautions for your own personal safety, there is still no guarantee that you won’t be mugged or raped but you take them anyway…don’t you?
I’ll still be going out with my short skirts (a little above the knee, I’m not young enough for the short short skirts!) and I’ll still wear the tops that give a hint of cleavage…why shouldn’t I? But I won’t get so drunk that I can’t even focus on a hand in front of my face and stand no chance of spotting the danger signs of a predator watching me or trying to separate me from my friends…or so drunk that by the time I realise something is happening it’s too late and my reactions are so dulled that I can’t do anything about it. Smug? No. Taking precautions that minimise the risk? Yes.
Yes more should be done to address the perpetrator (not always male), I think all women would agree with that. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be warning the young women too…if we don’t, if we brush the effects of alcohol under the carpet, if we pretend that a young woman scantily clad and so drunk that she can’t see the signs and/or defend herself isn’t seen by the perpetrator as the sign of an easy victim, what will we then say to her when she is attacked, like the woman in the video? It’s not her fault there are twisted people out there, it’s not her fault that she became a victim, but it is our fault if we don’t open her eyes to the dangers…it’s the least we can do.
what she said ^
Well said =D> =D>
Panda I dont mean to soudn rude, but do you have any figures on the precentage of rapes that happen due to a night out on the drink?
Yes I agree with you that rape can happin any place any time drunk or sober.
But….with out have to look for stats…Ive seen it with my own eyes.
Girls going out for the night with the agenda of getting drunk and flirting with guys.
As sombody pointed out, its not the drunk guys in the pub these girls need to worry about, its the sober guys standing across the road DELIBRITLY WAITING for these girls.True story, A local girl (whom I know) went out to celibrate a friends birthday. She got a little too drunk and decided to leave early. Her friends, being the good friends they were thought they were looking after her by putting her into a taxi and telling the driver were to drop her home.
She passed out in the back of the taxi and the driver drove up the mountains, raped her and asalted her and left her in the woods and drove off.
Did she deserve this because she got drunk?
NO.
Nobody is saying these girls deserve to be raped.
The point that is trying to brake threw here is…..PROTECT YOUR SELF.
Dont delibritly put your self into a vulnerable position.
Nobody is saying your not aloud go out and have a good time by having a few drinks and dresing sexy.
Every girl likes to dress sexy. Thats not the crime.younger girls and guys these days seem to think that they can only have a good time if they are standing up agenst a wall pissing them selvs at the end of the night.
You dont need to get that drunk to have a good time.Sadly this is the world we live in. Teens going out getting plasterd with drink. Its like an open and unattend sweetshop for all those sick preditors out there.
4 August, 2012 at 11:28 am #506093I am going to make another point of which I feel I can. When my two were teenagers and started going out to pubs/bars/clubs – the MAIN thing I told them was to NOT leave their drinks at any time. This hit home BIG time. They both have a drinkie poo before they go to a club, and then drink water, down in one – so, aboslutely no chance of anyone spicing their drinks (also, I pointed out that it doesn’t cost anything!).
My point being – it is up to the parents of the youngsters to educate them. I don’t give one iota if someone says they have no control – that is their fault in the first place.
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