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@pikey wrote:
I do see a hung parliament providing electoral reform in order to shore up a coalition government involving the Liberals.
I’m looking forward to it. I reckon Great Britain should always be a nation looking to further its own democracy. I just hope there’s some proper thought put into any new system and establishment interests are left firmly to one side. It has the possibilty of reinvigorating the country from the top down and paving a more enthused path into the future. Among these dark Satanic Mills and all that, eh?
If only i could bring myself to share that notion mr pikey
Well, among those present at a fundraising dinner yesterday evening was yours truly and his old lecturer in politics. Naturally the situation across the pond came up. A erm.. thrilling conversation ensued.. with regard to what the British people got, or are maybe getting?
Points were traded, including these perspectives..
It would seem the X Factor darling of debate Nick Clegg and his party LOST seats.
Yet, first out of the blocks yesterday morning with what some may observe as being rather alarming arrogance, Mr Clegg broke accepted protocol to rub up against Conservative Party legs, choosing to court Mr. Cameron on the basis of national interest and the Tories having won the most votes.
Would such “National Interest” here be in fact masking what is essentially a disappointing Lib Dem result with a pre-emptive offer to be Kingmakers? A perfect example of opportunistic political deflection? It’s already fair to say that not many people are talking about Liberal seat losses, but more about who’s going to get into bed with them.
Seizing partial power be it from a (unlikely) formal coalition or an (more likely) “agreement” to back a minority Conservative administration?
A rather ironic scenario being disproportionate power brokers considering their electoral reform stance?
Or is this the kind of thing PR stands for?
I believe it does, but in an official, accountable coalition capacity.So, would any potentially watered down “agreement” entertain Lib Dem manifesto “Musts” such as electoral reform, defence cuts, amnesty for illegal immigrants and refusal to grant tax cuts to the better off?
Would the likes of Vince Cable or David Laws countenance the proposed Tory policy of cutting inheritance tax for the more wealthy in society or putting the squeeze on education funding?
Would the “informal nature” of such a pact and no official coalition or joint program for government mean none of the more obstinate obstacles with regard to differing policy be an issue? Together with a jobs for the boys carrot dangled as intimated by William Hague yesterday?As those who have had the misfortune to follow my posts on the election know, I have said that I feel coalition government is very much the way forward for the culturally diverse Britain that exists today. Forget the apocalyptic rants of the cigar chewing “city” suits on the likes of Sky News. A democratic government and it’s system adapts to the needs and wishes of it’s people, not the other way around. People bemoaning some perceived indecisive nature of a formal, cohesive majority coalition program for government are the gawping dinosaurs that brought about and indeed perpetuate many of the national and global woes experienced this very day. With such a collaboration, I believe electoral reform comes almost naturally, and here’s hoping it will focus on the urgent need for a PR system in the UK.
Some of the smarming witnessed since the result would seem to point towards some form of illicit agreement.
Let’s hope this is not the case.. as it’s quite clear the British people did not vote for this. Contrary to some of the media slush being shovelled at the mo, the voters have been rather decisive in sending the message that electoral reform is the way forward, that the days of a yo-yo-ing two tier political party monopoly are at an end. That “decisive” governance should not presuppose a single ethos romping home every time in a “one in-one out” fashion. That an all inclusive, modern maturity reflected in the British electoral system is imperative.Some related points..
I was very upset to hear that Peter Robinson lost his seat in Northern Ireland. A huge story. What a torrid year this man is having? One hopes this hasn’t too cataclysmic an effect of the fragile devolved Northern Irish administration where personality and trust plays such an immense part in the peace established there.On the subject of Northern Ireland, no Tory seats. Scotland, one single Tory seat. Wales, 8 Tory seats.
So almost ALL of the Conservative’s 306 or so seats have come in England. Yet this very day they seek what they see as a justifiable mandate to govern the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Granted.. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have their own devolved parliaments (the latter with it’s own set of peculiarities more complex than the other two put together), but this was a Westminster election remember. A British election.
Would it be fair to say that the largest party in the UK courts a curious contradiction in that it has little, if any, appeal to three of it’s four component countries?Another day’s argument perhaps..
OK!!! i get PR now :D/
Votes for STV in Proportional Representation
See this is why all kids need to taught politics during their last year at school so we can understand this sorta stuff, if it goes to referendum and we aint a clue what it is or how it works whats the point!!Did it hurt ?…lol
Dont you think we lie to the children enough without indoctrinating them further with this farce democracy ? :shock:
Unlike which other non farce democracies ?
If only i knew the answer to that…. My point is that i dont think introducing this to children is a wise move, far better to concentrate on the fundamentals of equality and depravation and the use of conscience, this then can establish a background where truth and deception can become an intergral process of deliberation in later years. I find that the problem with these politicians is that they all read from the same book, hardly surprising as they mainly all stem from the same educational establishments, ` the old school `
@gazlan wrote:
If only i knew the answer to that…. My point is that i dont think introducing this to children is a wise move, far better to concentrate on the fundamentals of equality and depravation and the use of conscience, this then can establish a background where truth and deception can become an intergral process of deliberation in later years. I find that the problem with these politicians is that they all read from the same book, hardly surprising as they mainly all stem from the same educational establishments, ` the old school `
I think education is never a bad things the more infomation and knowledge a person holds, adult or child the better they can reach an informed decision and make their own choices, some good, some bad , but isnt that the whole point of growing up seeing things differently making mistakes and learning from them, its what makes us who we are. And what better time for kids to learn when they are at their most able to take it in. Kids can have a remarkable understanding of things we dont give them enough credit for, i am a bit old school in a way as far as the children should be seen but not heard unless asked for their input, but i dont think that should mean we dont educate them and allow them to have their own thoughts and ideas. Children dont get formal political education at school and thats half the problem, you reach voting age when partying is usually more important and have no idea what to do with your vote, and it very often gets used incorrectly, this applies to older people who have very little knowledge of politics also, they end up going through their lives voting for the same as their parents, or if rebellious in nature the opposite, or because they look nice or have style or they like the name, that is of no benefit to anyone, they need to be educated on all things including politics and the fundamentals of equality and depravation and the use of conscience also, we shouldnt cherry pick what they should learn in my opinion.
The mp’s dont all read from the same book either i have to disgaree, our local lib dem was a farmer, with a reasonable education, yes, but still essentially a farmer although he never got in this time sadly, and not a gentleman farmer one that got his hands dirty, worked the land, you cant get much more down to earth than that. But i agree some politicians are very etonian types and there should be a healthy mix. And no matter what happens politics is and will always be part of our lives in whatever form so isnt it better to try and make it better and work for us than doggedly fight against it offering just the negative ? Same with anything, dont knowck what you dont like or understand try and educate to give a differing view or maybe change things for the better.Of course education must include many things, the basic emotions i have outlined in my previous post, in my opinion, will give the child all the afore knowledge necessary to deliberate effectively all scenarios in their future decisions, this will prepare them with knowledge and understanding of emotions and suffering. The many problems i think we as a society suffer from now, is in fact due to a loss of conscience awareness. In my opinion, i think people in general have become far to contented in their lives, perhaps sub consciously while often struggling to maintain their status in an ever increasing world dominated by finance and regulation. I myself, manage to live on very little, i eat when i am hungry, i feel no need to own a car, i have no urge to sit and vegetate in front of a television daily. Of course, to consider these things wrongful, is not my reasoning, however, i do think that many many people become so wrapped up in this routine that they become numb to the actual purpose of what it is they indulge in.
For instance, the amount of sex education in schools is vast compared to perhaps 30 years ago, as a result of this, what have we witnessed? This country now has one of the highest teen prgnancy problems in the western world.
@gazlan wrote:
Of course education must include many things, the basic emotions i have outlined in my previous post, in my opinion, will give the child all the afore knowledge necessary to deliberate effectively all scenarios in their future decisions, this will prepare them with knowledge and understanding of emotions and suffering. The many problems i think we as a society suffer from now, is in fact due to a loss of conscience awareness. In my opinion, i think people in general have become far to contented in their lives, perhaps sub consciously while often struggling to maintain their status in an ever increasing world dominated by finance and regulation. I myself, manage to live on very little, i eat when i am hungry, i feel no need to own a car, i have no urge to sit and vegetate in front of a television daily. Of course, to consider these things wrongful, is not my reasoning, however, i do think that many many people become so wrapped up in this routine that they become numb to the actual purpose of what it is they indulge in.
For instance, the amount of sex education in schools is vast compared to perhaps 30 years ago, as a result of this, what have we witnessed? This country now has one of the highest teen prgnancy problems in the western world. [/b]
I agree with your comment about lack of conscious awareness, but i dont think that alone can educate us to make all the right or atleast informed decisions, yes it will guide us into the right way we should behave towards others, indeed towards the planet and everything on it. And that is sorely missing in alot of areas i totally agree. In this medium especially!! The majority of our day to day life is dictated by our inertia. We are complex and programmed for growth despite our inertia we still need to grow,wherever that may takes us. We use science, technology, medicine, even religion, fostered by our inertia, to work toward this growth, but as good as this may be, i think it also leaves us to a degree empty of satisfaction, here grows the lack of conscious awareness in favour of self indulgence and satisfaction and the need to be revered. Often people embedded in a culture feel they lose the possibility of choice instead of “becoming themself ” which merely enhances the inertia and feeling of disatisfaction and indeed the lack of concious awareness. This also increases greed and the need to favour natural selections and natural growth diminishes in favour of artificial selection and consequently artificial and wrong behaviours. And in some cases i feel religion is used to make those choices “ok”, seeking penance and forgiveness for something we know isnt right. But i digress, although i feel this is vitally important i think it is the inertia that has caused the teenage pregnancy’s the lack of respect for others including ourself , rather than the fact they have been given the knowledge, added to that fact, that it did happen before. it was just “dealt with” in secrecy due to shame in different ways whether via termination or “going away” and returning months later.
Excuse my rambling, this is meant to be abt politics!! :? :lol: ……….. Anyway lets hope that Clegg sticks it out and demands a change in the voting system with his talks with Cameron if they chose to work together or at the very least a referendum on it.
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