Prisoners Human Rights

I think the term “human rights” answers the question. I am sure we have all at some point in our lives done wrong to another, does that mean we lose the right to dignity.

In reference to the first article you mention, very little detail is given in relation to the facts and nature of events leading to the prisoner suing. You have said that the crimes of this individual were of a sexual nature relating to underage boys, as such, this prisoner would be in segregation and as a result of having to use a toilet outside his cell, he may have been, rightly or wrongly, abused himself by other inmates or even officers due to the nature of his imprisonment. He may also suffer from a medical condition which seems likely if he needed to go to the toilet 3 times in one night etc etc etc.

In reference to the second article, it does seem ridiculous that escaped prisoners identities should be protected as otherwise it would be an infringement of their human rights, but is that the only reason?

However you feel though with regards to prisoners rights, any given society is best judged by its treatment of its worst members. As Dostoyevsky said “The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons”.

From what I read he didn’t say that….

but Michelle would have………… you want to mess do it in the appropriate place, not in here.

The only right prisoners have is the right to be hanged.

@genie_in_a_butthole wrote:

@slayer wrote:

@genie_in_a_butthole wrote:

However you feel though with regards to prisoners rights, any given society is best judged by its treatment of its worst members. As Dostoyevsky said “The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons”.

I take it that by “entering prisons”, you can see the low life scum that infest them and truly see what society we live in that breeds the pestilence that rape and murder 2 year old girls. Unfortuante it is that you can see them in a prison as hanging from a rope would be a much better place for them

{quote=”genie_in_a_butthole”] I never said i “enter(ing) prisons”, as should be very clear from both the quotation marks before and after that sentence and the fact i say, “As Dostoyevsky said” before the quote.
If you are saying that by simply being in prison that makes a person “low life scum”, lets take a brief look at some people who have spent time in prison around the world over the years.

Nelson Mandela,
Alexander Solzhenitsyn,
Fyodor Dostoyevsky,
Jean Genet,
Oscar Wilde,
George Jackson,
Brendan Behan,
Francois Marie Arouet (Voltaire) etc etc etc

I could continue but i will save you time having to google the names, these few names alone hardly constitute “low life scum”.

You have taken a direct Dostoyesky quote to support your argument which preceeds the quote ergo you support and adhere to the inference in the quote- I didnt say “you said”- I referred directly to your supporting quote. Listing names of renowned people through the ages who have been incarcerated to support the idea that prison does not have “low life scum” is as ludicrous as me listing some of the worst perpetrators of criminal activity to support that it does.

Simple statement- entering a prison would allow you to see low life scum face to face- it would allow you to see a helluva lot more but it doesnt detract from the fact that leeches on the face of humanity exist there.

@genie_in_a_butthole wrote:

Now lets accept the reality that laws change, what is accepted today was once imprisonable. People sit in prison for a multitude of offences ranging from rape and murder to non-payment of fines and tax evasion. These inmates, although seperated by the length of sentence and nature of the crime are all living in the same prison system under the same rules. Should an 80 year old man who refused to pay his poll tax have all his dignity removed and be treated as “low life scum”? I suggest not.

Where have i said ALL prisoners should be treated the same- i merely referred to the fact that certain crimes would be better served by the guilty hanging from a gibbet (perhaops having first had molten metal poured down their throat, though that may be a tad too extreme :D )

@genie_in_a_butthole wrote:

By using the of crime of “rape and murder 2 year old girls” (excuse the grammar, but this was quoted directly from you), you have used the vilest of crimes in an attempt to justify your point that ALL prisoners should be immediately condemned as “low life scum”, this shows a complete ignorance of the reality of the situation and the British legal system. The thread was “prisoners human rights”, encompassing both the severe crimes and petty crimes that people currently sit inside a cell for. Should a person who rapes and murders a 2 year old girl be executed or as you put it “hang from a rope” is a different question and not remotely relevent to this thread and nor is the strictness and leniency of any given sentence for any given crime. All that is relevent is the rights of those that are imprisoned.

It is pertinently relevant- why shoudl human rights be extended to those wish to impose their foulest abuses of others basic human right to live. And please please do not state anything about “stooping to their level” etc. Certain crimes (child murder and rape for a starter) go beyond evil and part of the punishment should be a removal of all but the basic human right of food and water

To get back to the question originally imposed we must also apply common sense, if a person is treated harshly and demeaned for a prolonged period by a system and is then released back into a society that in their mind caused this treatment, resentment and bitterness are created thus creating the likelihood of a more serious crime being commited upon release and a circle of release – conviction – prison is perpetuated doing nothing for the inmate or society unless that individual breaks it (like John McVicar, Stanley Tookie Williams etc). Now i am not for one moment suggesting that inmates should be afforded a life of luxury whilst incarcerated, but i am saying basic human rights should apply and an inmate should be afforded the protection from other inmates and officers that society is afforded by the very nature of the prison system.[/quote]