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30 September, 2016 at 9:22 am #1001107
Not being funny but that’s worth a Lol, thanks for the concern, no matter how genuine it is but i’m big enough and ugly enough to look after myself …… Oh and a lil more switched on than some of the massooof egos on here think.
That’s good, Reason. make your points and they’ll get answered, or acknowledged as good points.
make them with posts which spit out dislike and even abuse, then they’ll either receive no answer of just minimal answer. If you’re wanting to exhange insults, look for someone else. I’m not playing that game if I can help it..
But I’m sure you’re big enough and ugly enough to put aside your dislike and make your points cooly and rationally. That is starting to happen on this board, amazingly.
I hope that it continues.I’m not gonna change the way I type for anyone, I’ll continue to put my point across in the way I feel fit and I’m certainly not here to gain acceptance, if people want to acknowledge my posts then all well and good, if they don’t I’m sure I’ll survive.
Oh and btw, there are many ways of having a go at people as you well know, so please don’t try and take the moral high ground, you can be very patronising which to but it bluntly I foookin hate as a quality ……. on that note I best finish because I might insult someone.
30 September, 2016 at 11:24 am #1001127Up to you, Mr, but others shouldn’t complain about any brief or dismissive answers from me.
Funnily enough, i don’t think of myself as patronising. my manner comes from the job I did for many years. Can’t change it now.
When I come across people who’ve read more than me, who have thought about things more than I have, and who know more than me, I tend to go quiet, ask questions, make my disagreements carefully. I’d be scared to do otherwise – I’m thinking of a discussion I once had with a guy called J.G.A.Pocock, which left me distinctly nervous.
Knowledge, not social status, has always commanded my respect. I’m funny like that.
30 September, 2016 at 11:51 am #1001130Trump is plainly ignorant, despite his enormous wealth and privileged education. I don’t believe it is even a strategy for this campaign, as some appear to suggest. Trump has a history of racist, sexist and xenophobic remarks, backed up by racist, sexist and xenophobic action, particularly in the workplace and in his personal life and Trump has then been protected by his small army of PR advisors and lawyers.
Trump clearly lacks the insight to moderate his language and various insults, because his inherited wealth ensures he has lived his entire life in a bubble far removed from the reality that most people live their own lives in.
However, this campaign has revealed and highlighted, just like during the EU referendum in the UK, that vast numbers of working class people, blue collar, have been neglected by the political class for decades and are mobilizing in ever greater numbers to vote against the so called establishment and establishment figures like Hilary Clinton.
30 September, 2016 at 3:26 pm #1001137Trump is plainly ignorant, despite his enormous wealth and privileged education. I don’t believe it is even a strategy for this campaign, as some appear to suggest. Trump has a history of racist, sexist and xenophobic remarks, backed up by racist, sexist and xenophobic action, particularly in the workplace and in his personal life and Trump has then been protected by his small army of PR advisors and lawyers.
Can you name a specific example of him being racist? I would perhaps also say I’ve never seen him be sexist either, he seems to habit of insulting women based on their appearance, but I would not classify this as sexism personally. Clinton on the other hand did say something that was sexist during the debate. She criticised Trump for saying “Women only deserve equal pay if they can work as well as a Man”, which implies that Clinton thinks Women should be paid either less or more for the same work. Both of these posibilities would be actual examples of sexism, one against men and the other against women.
Trump clearly lacks the insight to moderate his language and various insults, because his inherited wealth ensures he has lived his entire life in a bubble far removed from the reality that most people live their own lives in.
He says whatever comes into his mind at the time he is speaking, I think this is probably due to his inexperience with this style of public speaking and is probably something he would improve at over time if he was to win the election. As for inheriting wealth, as far as I know his statement of recieving a ‘small’ loan of 1 million dollars to start his business career is factually correct. So saying all of his wealth is inherited isn’t 100% accurate. He probably is far removed from the average citizen I will agree with you there, but is he any more than Clinton? I would say he probably isn’t.
However, this campaign has revealed and highlighted, just like during the EU referendum in the UK, that vast numbers of working class people, blue collar, have been neglected by the political class for decades and are mobilizing in ever greater numbers to vote against the so called establishment and establishment figures like Hilary Clinton.
You’re correct here, but the establishment is definitely a real thing.
30 September, 2016 at 3:38 pm #1001139I’m not sure a ban on foreign investment would stop these institutions. The Saudi govern ment is strongly committed to a Wahabi version of Islam, and isn’t poor. There is a growing anti-Saudi feeling – I’m happy to say – because of this and because of their human rights abuses at home and in Yemen.
I also think that the mosques aren’t the cause of the radicalisation. Many of the radicals don’t bother going to a mosque – many just want to have a bash at those around them who don’t share their poverty and unemployment. Many would have been marxists a generation ago, committed to fighting against Western imperialism; now that Marxism is no longer popular, they’ve turned their anger in an Islamic direction. Prison is a real radicalising force, and that may be where to start?.
Not all people are radicalised from mosques, self radicalisation from online materials published by groups like ISIS is also another common cause. I don’t think trying to ban this would be effective, as people will still find a way to view them if they are motivated to do so. I don’t know how much of the radicalisation an ivestment ban would prevent, but I think it would lessen the general Muslim population’s tollerance towards them.
Not really sure what you are talking about with the Marxism, they are everywhere today. Large sections of academic staff teach Marxist ideas in universities (moreso in the US) and a starting to get into primary and secondary education to. BLM also chant phrases from the communist manifesto “we have nothing to lose but our chains” being a popular one.
I agree with you about the need and freedom to criticise religions, but that’s nothing to do with xenophobia,is it???
A lot of people would clasify criticism of religion as xenophobia, Australia recently introduced blastfamy laws to this effect.
The dangers of xenophobia are shown in the rise of protectionism in reaction to the EU and the free trade environment of the past umpteen years. That brings trade wars, as we discovered in the 1930s.
The EU itself practices protectionism to external markets. I am not really knowlagable enough with ecconomics to discuss this in any detail though.
4 October, 2016 at 12:47 pm #1001474drac,
you seem to take a pretty narrow definition of sexism. . I’ve seen the way women react when people speak to them in the way Trump talks about women. The demeaning talk can be pretty crushing, especially for some young women.The EU itself practices protectionism to external markets. I am not really knowlagable enough with ecconomics to discuss this in any detail though.
Most people aren’t knowledgable enough, but we all have to clue ourselves up about the basics, especially if we’re going to be making such far-reaching decisons as leaving the EU or like Trump, shout about protectionsism.
The health treatment we receive, the education given to our children, the welfare we provide for people who are chronically ill, suffer from mental health problems, at the end of their lives and isolated etc etc depends on money – on economics.
If we’re not clued up more, it’s easy for unscrupulous right-wing politicians to play on our fears that refugees, immigrants, (Jews or blacks in earlier times) are the cause of our problems. And the same goes for populist left-wing politicans in a different way.
The EU is a free trade area for 27 countries. Like every other area or country, it has protectionist barriers with other countries. If we leave the Single Market (likely) or the Customs Union (more problematic – worries about this have led Nissan to stop all new investment in their Sunderland plant last week) it’s highly unlikley we’ll have free trade deals with more than a few countries. We would have (I hope) trade deals with many countries to mitigate protectionism.
But ideally we want a situation where protectionism is finally ended. That’s because the trade wars of the 1930s need to be made a bad dream. At the moment they are a threat. Ever since the last world war, we’ve been trying to regulate world trade to make sure that people don’t beggar their neighbour. All round the world now, and Brexit/Trump are examples, the pressure is on for national inwardness and insularity in trade matters. Trade wars are made very likely in such circumstance.
4 October, 2016 at 6:53 pm #1001481drac,
you seem to take a pretty narrow definition of sexism. . I’ve seen the way women react when people speak to them in the way Trump talks about women. The demeaning talk can be pretty crushing, especially for some young women.My definition of sexism is the same as my definition of racism, which is to say one race/gender is superior to another one, or to grant special privileges based on a person’s race/gender. Well it isn’t crushing to this young woman at least, I don’t know what else I can say on this particular issue.
The health treatment we receive, the education given to our children, the welfare we provide for people who are chronically ill, suffer from mental health problems, at the end of their lives and isolated etc etc depends on money – on economics.
If we’re not clued up more, it’s easy for unscrupulous right-wing politicians to play on our fears that refugees, immigrants, (Jews or blacks in earlier times) are the cause of our problems. And the same goes for populist left-wing politicans in a different way.
Yeah, but refugees and immigrants are actually a cause of some problems, not of all of them sure, and neither are they the only cause of those problems. But this should be acknowlaged.
The EU is a free trade area for 27 countries. Like every other area or country, it has protectionist barriers with other countries. If we leave the Single Market (likely) or the Customs Union (more problematic – worries about this have led Nissan to stop all new investment in their Sunderland plant last week) it’s highly unlikley we’ll have free trade deals with more than a few countries. We would have (I hope) trade deals with many countries to mitigate protectionism.
But ideally we want a situation where protectionism is finally ended. That’s because the trade wars of the 1930s need to be made a bad dream. At the moment they are a threat. Ever since the last world war, we’ve been trying to regulate world trade to make sure that people don’t beggar their neighbour. All round the world now, and Brexit/Trump are examples, the pressure is on for national inwardness and insularity in trade matters. Trade wars are made very likely in such circumstance.
I don’t see why we wouldn’t be able to get trade deals with time, every over country in the world does. I think you have slightly missed the point of why a lot of people voted for Brexit, immigration wasn’t the only issue. People wanted to open trade up to the world, rather than being forced to make deals that work for the other 27 members and never end up happening.
4 October, 2016 at 9:12 pm #1001486I live in the UK they’re American I couldn’t give a fuck who wins… succint methinks
4 October, 2016 at 9:56 pm #1001490I live in the UK they’re American I couldn’t give a fuck who wins… succint methinks
It still affects us though.
5 October, 2016 at 9:36 pm #1001527Doesn’t remotely affect me I didnt see any change to my life under any particular American president… laughed a bit more at Bush maybe
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