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22 November, 2009 at 10:18 am #424430
I eat my peas with honey
I’ve done it all my life
It makes the peas taste funny
But it keeps them on the knife22 November, 2009 at 10:27 am #424431@susieq wrote:
personnaly speaking poetry isn’t always for others to appreciate but for a way to express oneself
absolutely spot on there
the greatest poets wrote thier stuff whilst going through some kind of trauma in life ,in hard times i can write poems , when happy i dnt know where to start,
i cant do happy poems lol22 November, 2009 at 10:32 am #424432everyones different , take music for instance , i like music for the words in the songs , dylan couldnt sing but was a poet , weller too , i love them both , others like the tune , theres a poet called ted hughes i love his stuff , others would get it or understand
22 November, 2009 at 1:04 pm #424433I’m a Poet
but I am not THE poet
I like poetic lyrics and lyricists and I like clever plays on words. I have never studied poetry, well not modern poetry, but I do study lyrics. I wish I could write music, as to be able to write both the words and the melody is a gift.
22 November, 2009 at 1:17 pm #424434Simply reading a poem and trying to understand it is ‘analysing’, don’t you think? We can never really know what another person is thinking or trying to say because we can’t actually get ‘into’ their head and feel what they are feeling-we can only guess with our ‘theory of mind’. So a would-be poet has to interpret what they are feeling into language which can be a difficult task to say the least, then perhaps commit it to paper and the reader has to assimilate the poem and interpret it all over again, often in the context of their own life, experiences and language skills. The meaning is likely to be so distorted that I wonder why we bother writing poetry at all because no one will ever really understand what you’re trying to say.
I think most of us probably agree that much ‘academic analyses’ just seems so beyond what is sensical just like art critics comments (anyone watching the BBC2/4 Beauty season on visual arts? The things they say about art seem ridiculous) and I sometimes think these people deliberately do this to exclude the ‘ordinary person’ like myself, from entering into their realm and to give themselves an air of credibility when what they’re doing is just very simple. Anish Kapoor was a prime example of this last night on ‘Beauty’. Then, most of us ‘simple folk’ are too scared to say, “hang on a second, that’s just a polished concave bronze mirror-what it does and how it looks is rather appealing but its nothing to do with ‘humanity’s struggle with the inner tragedy caused by his metaphorical expulsion from Eden which was a result of his curiosity and desire for knowledge, however forbidden'” Its just a beautiful object that says whatever the viewer wants it to say and so you as a would-be messenger will always fail in your task of trying to convey anything. Don’t give us your unintelligible comments on it.
I’m going to make a (pretentious) confession now: I am a huge fan of haiku and waka.
22 November, 2009 at 1:50 pm #424435great poets can write a life time of philosophy in one verse so yes it is how we persieve it , thats how its meant to be i think
22 November, 2009 at 1:54 pm #424436in the words of a robbie williams song , ” there selling razor blades and mirrors in the streets , cocaine , chopped up with a razor and snorted from a mirror , next day , on come down , look at ur self in mirror and feel suicidal , the razor .thats how i see the meaning of those words, he goes on to say hes scum in thats song, his feelings of being on drugs ??
22 November, 2009 at 2:12 pm #424437Verse is for healthy
arty-farties. The dying
and surgeons use prose..
22 November, 2009 at 3:10 pm #424438I’d like to see a life times philosophy in one verse, that can be understood, without ambiguity and differing interpretations by different people! Th reader sees what they want to see not always what the poet wanted them to see and that’s why I wonder what value poems are.
An eminent musicologist I know once told me that lyrics and poems are not the same thing since lyrics tend to be more literal than poems (there were many other differences too, but I can’t remember them!). Lyrics can be poetic but they’re not poems, and I’d posit, especially those of that soaring intellect and master of language, Robbie Williams :wink: Angels indeed…..
22 November, 2009 at 5:17 pm #424439Why don’t you write one then.
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