Our council “homes”

“Just how many building sites have you work on?”

The word is “worked”, and its probably been about 40 ish THIS year numbnuts, I’ve already mentioned what I do for a living lol

And I take on one trainee, although theyre actually called (“mates” seeing as its electric) per year but dont pay for any certification for them until I’ve had two years out of them

But despite what you seem to believe from the government spin we DONT have a shortage of electricians, plumbers, gas engineers or even nurses in this country, certainly not in the midlands at least

Nurses being the best example, we imported several thousand foreign nurses many of which we’re now stuck with, many of whom couldnt even speak english, many of whom arrived with HIV or Aids the treatment of which far outpaces their tax contributions, many of which with kids whos education costs far surpass their tax contributions and all because an alleged shortage of nurses

A shortage despite the fact that only 1 in 3 nurses born and educated in THIS country ever get a job nursing here which isnt an isolated occurence in an isolate sector

So before you start believing spin try checking your facts eh?

But sidetracking back from the divergence, the point is that council housing COULD be run as not only a profitable business on many levels but it could also be a far more effective method of training than college only based training

The problem ISNT that we have public sector housing, the problem is that its managed innefficiently and fixing that is a far better thing to do than simply scrapping the concept which is simply the lazy approach

And out of curiosity is english youre third language perchance?

Its seems ironically comical that youre claiming education is SOOOOOOOOOOO fabulously successful and yet seem to have grammar (thats not your grandads wife btw) and spelling (nothing to do with magic) of a 12 year old with learning dissabilities

Perhaps if youre own language skills are what you class as “good” then our scholastic system WOULD seem ab fab to you, but its far from the case when viewed from even an average intellectual level that I would hope you may one day aspire to

LOL, anything to try and wriggle out of actually discussing the topic eh?

Well firstly the CSCS is a bit of an eroneous AND an irrelevant question, its NOT compulsory for one, any div even you could simply google it to find out anything relating to the card and thirdly you’ll find as with part P many people in the industry dont bother with it as its just another tax really and at the lowest level just requires you sit a VERY basic H&S test most or all of which will have already been covered on any technical course from the part P pile of nonsense up to degree level anyway, so its simply another stealth tax that accomplishes nothing whatsoever of any value

Even on sites where its preferred it ONLY applies to people directly working on the construction which isnt our line of work anyway and we dont need it either for industrial 1 or three phase, domestic, comercial or tertiary work as its ONLY a construction industry specific card, not an electrical one, and even sites that ask for it from their construction contractors dont usually ask for people providing primary feeds (IE portacabin supplies + burglar alarms/alarm signalling/CCTV) as its classed as an ancilliary task provided by the people we work for who are the renters of the portacabins and is their responsibility to cover H&S, plus the firms we do work for we have worked for for almost a decade and a half, so I think its safe to say were well past the point where they would need a worthless bit of paper to prove competency really lol

And before you get even more desperate to avoid discussing the actual topic I also dont need a 715 as I am fully self employed and not a sub contractor so I invoice in full

I dont know how long day release is because I dont and wont pay for it, if you check back I said I pay for CERTIFICATION, not training so I dont know how long it takes and dont care

The last one is even more eroneous, theres no “we”, I have and still do call an electricians mate a mate, its what they were called 20 years ago when I first did my 236/224 and 185 and I’ve never felt or seen any reason to call them anything else and dont prescribe to the touchy feely left wing politically correct nonsense and never will,, so YOU might not call them “mates”, but I do and so does everyone of the 50 or more other electricians, alarm installers, inspectors and engineers I know, infact I’ve never heard them called anything else to be honest

Anyway, a mate isnt a “trainee”, someone can be a mate for their entire working life and many people I’ve known have been as its an electrical version of a labourer and isnt simply a stepping stone towards being an electrician as many people dont have the acumen to be an electrician but DO have the wherewithall to pull in wires, chisel out back boxes and connect things up

A trainee however has also always been called a trainee, and people can be either or both as they arent the same thing, I also still call a screwdriver a screwdriver and a hammer a hammer before you ask that too

Correction, I did answer the questions, just not as you wanted

The CSCS wont be compulsory for me or anyone working for me unless we start doing installation on a new site which we dont, we currently wire up and repair the electrics and alarms for the site portacabins and any temporary buildings which I stated, and as I also stated the CSCS crud just doesnt apply to me or anyone who works for me at all, I also said that I COULD if I could have been bothered or seen any reason or purpose to have simply googled it and reeled off a load of worthless information till your ickle heart was content, as could a bus driver, a cook, a lollipop lady or a cripple in a wheelchair making the question and answer totally irrelevant as I did already point out

Again with the “mates” thing, what you call them is what you call them. I call them what I want, its not illegal and you will find that it still is and will be for a very long time a commonly used term apart from larger companies perhaps and politically correct management heavy organisations like councils who have nothing better to do than whinge and whine about what people should or shouldnt call each other, most people couldnt really care less what theyre called as long as they get paid

Infact just to make it completely clear IF I wanted to I can quite legally and legitamately call someone a box knocker and STILL employ them as an electricians mate, its not illegal in the slightest

And a minor point, but as you seem intent on talking endless pointless and eroneous waffle its AS not HAS and its labourERS not labours

I also dont know why youre surprised I dont know what the current legnth of time is for an electrical certificate seeing as I already pointed out I dont pay for training, I’ve only ever paid for certification which is at the moment just the part P seeing as its cheap and covers the only domestic rooms where someone who is classed as only “competent” either needs to self certify or get an independant certifier in, so even now in a domestic property you dont need any qualifications at all for work in any room or outside, but you do need a partial certificate issued for outside and rooms with water, but as I also said earlier, and just the same as the CSCS part P is also a waste of time, a flailing joke and another stealth tax, and you can actually do it in 2 or three days rather than 5 and less if its just an additoon to a corgi certification where it can be done as a one day course if you shop around

The only really worthwhile training at the moment is the 16th edition really which is also about to be superceeded

All still totally eroneous and totally unconnected to whether we should have council houses tho, totally not connected to whether the schools are worse and less people are getting a better edution and not even related to whether immigrant workers are displacing indigenous ones, all topics you seem intent on avoiding a response to by waffling on about eroneous irrelevant nonsense i already told you at the start just doesnt apply to me to begin with

Infact on the topic of useless education, I also have a full 185 with distinctions throughout which I did in 1 year rather than three which is about as much use within the industry as toilet paper with winnie the pooh pictures on it and is still more use to me than a CSCS card

That IS your answer whether or not its the one you were fishing for

@ubermik wrote:

…..as much use within the industry as toilet paper with winnie the pooh pictures on it….

Oi!!! Less of the insults to my mate Winie the Pooh if you don’t mind !!! Toilet paper indeed !!!

However, you CAN refer to toilet paper with pictures of DOA on though, as we would all enjoy wiping our … no better leave it there eh?