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Well what people are trying to say “ratchet” is this
“Bencase please go away and be a nuisance elsewhere”
I know when I was talking to him in “pm” a few weeks ago he soon turn the “chat” to his sexual fetishes and I got the feeling he was knocking one off while chating too me.
He is a real prev and I had no problem with handing out this mobile number to other pervs and asking them to send pictures of there di cks.
You need to face the fact he does pose a danger to the younger members of the site and would be happy if the site ban him. Has for the older members of the site bullying him, most of them can see him for what he is, “one more attention seeking pervert”
But you on the other hand seem to be falling for this lies and feeling sorry for him, always a mistake.
You need to grow up a bit and face the truth, this person is telling tails on here, I have seen him on another site and there he has no “mental issues”, a job and girlfriend.
No one forces him to keep coming back and I like most would like to see the back of him for good.
@ratchet wrote:
It was to be fully expected that the odd person would pop out of the woodwork to besmirch the character of Bencase.
The alleged wrongdoings of Bencase are not relevant (he could be Adolf Hitler for all I care), and those who seek to divert the subject towards Bencase’s behaviour are clearly trying to shy away from the real issue.
Yes, Bencase might have been a perv or a creep, or whatever. I don’t really know; I’ve only witnessed him typing “any women wearing stockings?” into the room – hardly crime of the century by JC standards!
The real issue is whether it is justified or decent, in any circumstances, to round on one individual (who appears to be not of sound mind) so viciously and callously, and to coerce/encourage that individual into taking their own life.
I have answered this thread without knowing the full facts just as it appears you have, I have since remembered who bencase is. so as I waded in to answer ratchett I want to clarify where I stand on this: (i wish i knew how to double quote lol )
RATCHETT
1. Ratchett of course it matters if Bencase has been a perv or a creep, the chat forums are full of them and most people are sick of them and treat them all with disdain. whether or not some or all of the pervs and creeps have a mental illness i dont know but I like most chatters have had our fair share of them and to be honest they leave me cold and all they have served to do is make me wary and steer away from them
2. A point about encouraging Ben to commit suicide and some of the unkind remarks that were made, yes sound deffo over the top, there is the iggy button facility and maybe a lot more should excercise that , however, us being funnly ‘lil human beings theres a part of us that is worried about missing something ay? come on u lot u know u’ve all done it lol
3. I dont know how long you have been coming into JC and can fully understand as a bystander who hasnt witnessed any of the previous goings on with Ben your outrage. No I dont condone one bit encouraging anyone to commit suicide and some of the quoted remarks are out of order.
4. I have no idea what guide you are reffering to in your post but I have to say most of them who give their time up voluntarily do a good job but , i wasnt there so wont comment any further on that.
CAS
Cas I have a lot of respect for you as you know , you yourself have been the target and been wrongly attacked yourself on the boards so you know how it feels, however, the attack on Ben if it was of the magnitude that ratchett described was out of order, I understand ratchets outrage……
however, this is a clear case (on my part at least) of rushing in to defend a poster without knowing the facts but to be honest even if I had known the facts the attack to the magnitude ratchett described was deffo out of order , but maybe he should just be banned?
Cas, as far as vampy is concerned, sure there was no ‘open letter’ but a lot of us ‘stood up to be counted’ when she was being attacked by UK Pilot , we have all been atttacked but it is clear ‘ratchett’ was just taken aback by the strength of the attacks on Ben but what is clear forum 3 chatters (or some) have clearly had enough of this guy mental illness or not. maybe the kindest thing for Ben would be for him to be a boot on site (one for the administrators to work out ay)
Overall to be honest I’m not sorry I answered this post although I did contemplate deleting some of my posts on here, but decided to leave them as they were.
Bencase has very clearlyupset a lot of chatters , whether or not he has a mental illness clearly cant be proved on here , but if the remarks that ratchett say were said, then clearly, whilst i understand the frustrations of the chatters concerned, some of the remarks described are clearly out of order and I think this is the point ratchett was trying to make.
This place can put you through a roller coaster of emotions sometimes, but it is a ‘social site’ it is here to make money, conflict is openly encouraged but, and this is the but, when it comes at a cost of human decency then thats when it becomes unnaceptable.
The lobby is a ghetto. Full of lifes wasters… no hopers…. easy ugly woman… weirdos…. and perves. The whole place should be burnt down with as many regs in it at the time as possible.
@fastcars wrote:
The lobby is a ghetto. Full of lifes wasters… no hopers…. easy ugly woman… weirdos…. and perves. The whole place should be burnt down with as many regs in it at the time as possible.
bless your charitable heart……… :wink:
Well if Ben is an attention seeker he’s certainly got what he wanted hasn’t he? There seems to be a mass-hysteria – you can’t be in chat for more than 5 minutes without his name coming up, but those of us who have been chatting for a while have seen it before and we know it’ll all blow over – won’t it? :?
One thing is for sure, commenting on this situation is a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” – if you don’t comment you’re seen to be either wimping out or condoning the situation and if you do comment you’re guaranteed to have one of the camps on your back.
So hey-ho, I’m not a wimp, so here’s my tuppence-worth! :lol:
Personally I find the topics that Ben chooses to discuss, his manner of discussing them, and his behaviour to women quite abhorrent – it goes far beyond the normal JC perv. However as long as he isn’t breaking the site rules and people are prepared to talk to him then he has as much right to be here as anyone else. When he steps over the line of decency I – and others – will comment but all that gets you is the accusation of being a bully because he allegedly has a mental illness. And before anyone jumps on my use of the word allegedly, everything anyone says in JC is allegedly as few of us know each other in real life and none of us ever knows if what others say is true. Well sorry, but having a mental illness does not excuse bad behaviour, and if anyone comes in here and says something that many people find offensive then persists even when people have told him how they feel, then they must expect a backlash and if they’re not strong enough to deal with that then they shouldn’t be here. We are all responsible for our own behaviour and our own well-being.
Then we have the people who are “rallying the troops” to goad Ben into taking an overdose. My god, what kind of people are you? Would you do this in real life? How do you react when you see bullying in real-life, be it in the workplace or of your children or grandchildren? How do you sleep at night? This is as abhorrent as Ben’s behaviour, but if anyone speaks out, as I did yesterday afternoon, then you get accused of supporting Ben and his behaviour. This is harrassment of an individual, which does break the site rules, and also you people are disrupting chat for the majority who have no axe to grind one way or the other.
And then we have the attacks on one guide in particular, who gets abuse for not acting when he’s in the room just to chat. Funny how several other people who are guides have been in as regular chatters during all of this unfolding over the last few days and taken no action but no-one mentions that. If we’re going to complain about the action and/or inaction of guides in all of this, then imho we should be commenting on all guides, not just one in particular. But remember, they are all volunteers, they have set shifts, but they are not on duty every time they come into chat – rumour has it they’re even human beings with feelings! :shock: And if you’re unhappy with the standard of guiding and want a better chat experience (tongue firmly in cheek there!), why not volunteer to become one?
The saddest part of all this is that whilst all the controversy livens the room up and might be exciting for some, for the vast majority it is upsetting and driving many of the decent chatters away – and god knows that with all the pervs in here we need all the decent chatters we can get! It might just be words on a screen to some, but there are real people behind those words.
OK, I’ll get off my soapbox now, and being a typical Libran will continue to sit on the fence and see all sides of the argument and continue to be abused for not taking sides but such is life :lol:
@fastcars wrote:
The lobby is a ghetto. Full of lifes wasters… no hopers…. easy ugly woman… weirdos…. and perves. The whole place should be burnt down with as many regs in it at the time as possible.
Ooooooh wonder which category I fall into………
Sounds like he’s also being a pain though i take 90%of what DOA says with a pinch of salt. The question is has he genuinly got a mental disorder ? It’s difficult as I aint seen any interaction and where i agree the encouragement to kill himself is dangerous if he has got a serious mental disorder it aint gonna do any real harm if he’s just a prat.
As for the guides if they dont kick him out someone will moan about it if they do someone else will moan about it and there are good and bad guides i expect (i was good very fair if you had a letter a in your name thats it out ya go) but none of them get paid and if the system is still the same are supposed to report to de management when they eject someone so they should see a pattern i’d have thought.@pete wrote:
The question is has he genuinly got a mental disorder ? It’s difficult as I aint seen any interaction and where i agree the encouragement to kill himself is dangerous if he has got a serious mental disorder it aint gonna do any real harm if he’s just a prat.
Sorry but I don’t think whether or not he has a mental disorder is important here, the bullying and abusive behaviour and pack mentality is abhorrent and is causing more disruption and bad feeling than the target himself does.
By the way, love your siggy pics with the cats.
Any Harrassment of other chatters I deplore.. thank goodness for the Ignore.. I think there should be an Ignore facility for the boards too.. I was told there used to be .. so why dont they reinstate it ? Anyone with a mental or physical disability should be made welcome , not held up to ridicule !
@jen_jen wrote:
@pete wrote:
The question is has he genuinly got a mental disorder ? It’s difficult as I aint seen any interaction and where i agree the encouragement to kill himself is dangerous if he has got a serious mental disorder it aint gonna do any real harm if he’s just a prat.
Sorry but I don’t think whether or not he has a mental disorder is important here, the bullying and abusive behaviour and pack mentality is abhorrent and is causing more disruption and bad feeling than the target himself does.
By the way, love your siggy pics with the cats.
yay someone likes me sig :D
I see ya point i purely meant the danger to him The iggy button doesnt really work cause you can still see interaction from others and it’s natural to wonder what the hell the ignored is saying. If a guide is in then it’s down to their judgement who to ban. It would be far better if the guides were anonymous but de management should be monitoring and of course a guide cant be there all the time
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