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The UK as a whole is currently the 4th most densely populated country in the EU.
While England alone can be said to be the 2nd most densely populated country in the EU – with future projections expecting it to become the 1st (here).
All the while we’re in the EU we have no control over who comes into the country or how many, this is because all EU citizens are allowed the freedom to travel work and live in any EU country that they want, including the UK. Our borders are wide open to the rest of all 28 EU countries (or 32 if you include the EEA region and Switzerland).
The main implications of this should be fairly obvious:
* It firstly means that the bigger the EU’s population gets, either by means of high birth rates, more countries joining it, or mass migration, then the more you can expect the rate of immigration to the UK to increase.
* Secondly, because the UK is the 2nd biggest economy in the EU (with good future prospects), then you can also expect immigration to the UK to further increase whenever other EU countries suffer economic turmoil – people simply migrate to better pastures in search of better opportunities, ie here.
Both the EU’s population is inevitably going to become bigger in the coming years; and some EU economies, particularly France, Italy and Greece, are looking very shaky and very vulnerable at the moment. Not good.
This is where we stand in terms of the level of immigration over the past few years:
Notice that non-EU migration is generally following a downwards trend from it’s peak in 2004, whereas EU migration has, not surprisingly, been increasing.The latest number of EU immigrants to come here stood at 185,000 in 2015 – the highest recorded.
If we remain in the EU then this number is almost certainty going to continue to rise. More immigration is going to result in an even more crowded country, more competition for jobs, lower wages for people in low paid and low skilled job sectors, a more diluted culture and national identity, and even more pressure on social services.
I think it would not just be foolish to keep this status quo, but outright suicidal, especially if you’re looking 30-50-70+ years down the line.
People, we have to do the right thing – and not just for us, but also for our future generations to come – we have to leave.
I’m going to vote to stay in the EU. When I go into a bar I’m served by a Bulgarian; when I go to a hotel I’m greeted by a Romanian. The Polish will wash the outside and inside of my car for £5.
But when I go into JC1 I’m in a chatroom full of unemployed British scumbags who have no motivation to work because it’s not much more than they get in benefits. Do I rely on JC1 types for the services I have become accustomed to and to pay my pension when I retire? God no.
We should be grateful there are people willing to come here and do our sh*t jobs for sh*t pay because if they don’t, we certainly won’t.
More people equates to a bigger economy and more opportunity. Let them all in.
I’m going to vote to stay in the EU. When I go into a bar I’m served by a Bulgarian; when I go to a hotel I’m greeted by a Romanian. The Polish will wash the outside and inside of my car for £5.
But when I go into JC1 I’m in a chatroom full of unemployed British scumbags who have no motivation to work because it’s not much more than they get in benefits. Do I rely on JC1 types for the services I have become accustomed to and to pay my pension when I retire? God no.
We should be grateful there are people willing to come here and do our sh*t jobs for sh*t pay because if they don’t, we certainly won’t.
More people equates to a bigger economy and more opportunity. Let them all in.
At least you are honest enough to admit openly that you are happy with the exploitation of those on low pay, ZHC’s and the new army of the SE. Comparing those ‘slave’ wages with the absolute pittance paid out in unemployment benefits.
The problem though is that you don’t want to pay more tax to provide the infrastructure required for 350,000 economic migrants each year. You equate mass immigration with a healthy economy although the evidence does not support you. You suggest it pays for your pension, although again the evidence does not support you.
An economy built on the banking sector and the service industry and reliant on housing bubbles is always doomed to failure in the long term.
I suspect though what you really wanted, was not a sensible debate, but a sly pop at those who frequent JC1 and which explains your economic illiteracy.
Stop, BB!!!!!!
We keep getting links to long and controversialwebsites (such as the maths of the percentage of EU laws passed at westminster) and now we have a cut-and-paste job wiht dodgy statistical information and maps about density of population.
Look, BB, this is not supposed to be a forum for this type of thing. If I answered your points in the detail required, it woul dmake the forum insufferable. Pu this in your own words, and put it elsewhere. It’s not supposed to be a formal point-by-point debate.
I’m happy to discuss political and other questions here – these have happened in the past – and the EU is going to be the big question for the next month. Like it or not, there are going to be posts about it on this forum, and they’re going to be serious ones too.
But make them humorous, connect them to people here directly, or if nothing else put them in your own words and make them pithy (I am not lisping there) – the response to you post from You Have My Stap fits the bill.
This is a chat forum, not a site for long propaganda posts from UKIP and Leave.
It also allows you to go to any EU country and work
Pete and I posted at exactly the same moment, it seems.
But again, Pete’s post is fine. Short and to the point. Not a long piece of propaganda.
Stop, BB!!!!!!
We keep getting links to long and controversialwebsites (such as the maths of the percentage of EU laws passed at westminster) and now we have a cut-and-paste job wiht dodgy statistical information and maps about density of population.
Look, BB, this is not supposed to be a forum for this type of thing. If I answered your points in the detail required, it woul dmake the forum insufferable. Pu this in your own words, and put it elsewhere. It’s not supposed to be a formal point-by-point debate.
I’m happy to discuss political and other questions here – these have happened in the past – and the EU is going to be the big question for the next month. Like it or not, there are going to be posts about it on this forum, and they’re going to be serious ones too.
But make them humorous, connect them to people here directly, or if nothing else put them in your own words and make them pithy (I am not lisping there) – the response to you post from You Have My Stap fits the bill.
This is a chat forum, not a site for long propaganda posts from UKIP and Leave.
Which translates as “I am incapable of responding to the points made in your post and so I will sling out vacuous insults about UKIP to attempt to belittle the points you made, rather than addressing them”.
What’s it got to do with you how BB presents his/her argument, you don’t run this site.
This is all the Bremain camp can do, according to them anyone who wants to vote out is a right wing UKIP type. Just utter ignorance and fueled by the neo-liberal establishment Bremain camp.
One of the most dishonest campaigns ever run by the band of shysters and carpet baggers who run our economy.
Pete and I posted at exactly the same moment, it seems.
But again, Pete’s post is fine. Short and to the point. Not a long piece of propaganda.
Unless of course you are poor, sick, disabled, unemployed, unable to get on the housing ladder, unable to pay extortionate rent and or work on ZHC wages or other low paid exploitative work and numerous other social issues.
If you are any of the above then it is not “fine” because the EU and the neo liberal cartel who run it, don’t give a toss about you.
The EU is a neo liberal cartel which is run by the middle class establishment on behalf of the middle class establishment.
As too for the current migrant crisis:
Estimates of 4 million migrants are expected to have arrived in Europe from 2015-2017, with further more expected in the years following. They are overwhelmingly made up of people who come from Islamic Middle Eastern and North African countries whose Islamic cultures are completely at odds with Western ones.
Some of the countries of origin include: Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Albania, Serbia, Pakistan and Somalia, to name but a few.
A disproportionate number of these migrants are also recorded as being young, unmarried, unaccompanied males. For example for the year 2015 (when the migrant crisis got in full swing) there’s recorded to have been approximately 1.3 million claims for asylum in EU countries, and a mammoth 72% of these claims were made by males.
Now obviously there will be genuine refugees amongst this lot so I’m not going to claim that they’re all likely to be bad or undeserving people, but what I am going to do is highlight what’s already happened to two countries that have welcomed people from these regions, into their own borders en masse.
Sweden:
* In 1975 their population stood at around 8.2 million people and by 2014 it had grown to 9.7 million people. This growth has been attributed almost entirely to immigration from MENA countries.
* In this time, violent crime had increased by 300% and rapes had increased by 1,472%
Read in full here
Germany:
The country that has undoubtedly taken in the biggest number of migrants that have reached Europe in the current migrant crisis, with over 1 million new arrivals in 2015 – but yet curiously, only 476,000 of them registering for asylum.
* Cologne: I’m sure this doesn’t need explaining but for statistical purposes there were 2,000 sexual assaults and robberies reported on new years eve 2015, with 1,950+ victims of approximately 1,000 suspected male perpetrators of Arab and North African appearance. An overwhelming majority of those arrested were non-Germans, asylum seekers or illegal immigrants.
* In a more general sense, and according to a confidential police report: Migrants committed 208,344 crimes in 2015. This figure represents an 80% increase over 2014 and works out to around 570 crimes committed by migrants every day, or 23 crimes each hour, between January and December 2015. The true number of crimes may also exceed 400,000 – a visual map of each crime can be seen here
Read in full here
Again it doesn’t mean that all migrants are bad, but just that a significant trend exists that everyone probably ought to be aware of if they’re trying to weigh up the pros/cons of EU immigration.
In order for any of the expected 4 million+ migrants to come to the UK legally, they only first need to become a citizen of any EU country. Each country determines their own naturalization laws for someone to become an official citizen, but generally a common requirement is that a migrant must be living in that country for at least a few years. So, real potential does exist that those who might be inclined to commit these sorts of crimes or hold hostile attitudes towards our society, will ultimately be able to gain freedom of movement by becoming an EU citizen, and then come to the UK.
Essentially, as an EU member, we are powerless to stop other countries allowing whoever they want into their own borders, powerless to control the requirements that they enact for then granting those people citizenship, and then powerless to stop them from entering here once they have been granted citizenship due to the accompanying right to freedom of movement that comes with it.
Angela Merkel is currently acting as our gatekeeper.
Lies, damned lies and statistics. And they say the Remain are engaged in project Fear!! Cor Blimey, to quote Ms K.
If you want to make sure vital jobs go to brits, train them up, don’t deny services.
2 million Brits abroad, 2 million EU workers here. Do Brexiteers want to expel the migrants here????
Facts, please, not more dodgy estimates.
SHAR, I never worked out what neo-liberal means; it’s just a catch-all word. Work wiht Europe’s unions if you want to fight their capitalists.
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