OK lets attempt this…

@rubyred wrote:

I would gladly sign anything , if it would help. xx

me too. Some of these cases are haunting.

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This may seem way out and whacky and the logistics and costs and so forth would need to be looked into but i totally agree with the general consenus of life meaning life and the current sentences being pathetic in the main, but sadly with the likes of “human rights” and “rehabilitation” and all those other namby pamby confines it is so very difficult to get these things changed how we would like.
Anyway getting back to the weird and wacky idea, if they wish to chose these ridiculously short sentences ok, but i would propose any person convicted of any crime of this type should at that moment lose all rights to live in any “normal society” they forfeit that right the day the crime was committed. So instead of getting rid of the “good behaviour ” ruling for earlier release, as i think this probably helps in the controls of a prison amongst alot of potentially dangerous people, if and when they achieve this point of getting out on good behaviour they are transferred to “A PLACE” specificially made and indeed built by these prisoners yes a bit like the old “breaking granite, working on the railroad prisoners of old” and they build a whole working town and surrounding areas. It would be open but enclosed by a perimeter fence a little like the wild national parks in africa and the likes.
The perimeter fence will obviously be secure maybe electrified as well as virtually impossibe to climb out over, anyone living within these confines would be automatically “tagged” which would alert if they went within a distance of this perimeter fencing. They will leave the prison and live in relative openess within the confines of this place “for life” friends and family can enter to visit the same as in a prison , but they “the released prisoner” would never be allowed out. They would have to learn to not only grow their own food but maintain their own village / town to survive. Short term the cost would be quite high, but long term, yes they are getting their released for good behaviour still, they will, once it is set up, be looking after themselves and the costs would be managed by them, the saving of the intensive security in prisons would be alot lower and in the long run actually save the tax payers who at the end of the day would have to feed cloth and house these lifers in a regular prison burden would be lifted. And we never have to have the scum in our normal decent society ever again. They will be effectively cast out from all normal society “for life” .
Now as i said the logistics and costs and indeed probably lots of flaws not even thought of would need to be worked out, but i really do think it could be an option. And in a round about way satisfying the namby pamby, those who wanna rehabilitate them etc not only something for them to feel better abt but also they can spend their time in there “helping “them making them feel better and out of the bloody way too lol (ok that was a wishful thinking bit perhaps)
Anyway wacky maybe !! impossible ? ? i wonder !! i think the biggest thing / problem would be the location. Maybe unused moorlands, old quarry’s , i dont know but there you have it!

Exactly Pete! What ‘pol’ seems to be proposing is a return to the good old days of judicial summary justice – no more messing around with jury trials followed by endless appeals etc – and the guilty miscreants banished overseas to an Australian penal colony for ever and ever amen.

I just thought I’d share that with you on this exceptionally cold day.

hmm so what does penitentiary mean?

penises in hairy tents probably!

There was a thought hypothesised some time ago that people should be placed on islands, or floating prisons. My take on this subject is i don’t care where they are put to serve their sentences as long as the sentence fits the crime! If someone kills a small child in the way Baby P was murdered, the perpetrator should be kept locked up for life. No chance of an early release. If we don’t want to bear the cost of their life long stay in prison, then they should be made to work! I am sure that a lot of people inside have skills that could be utilised whilst they remain behind locked doors.

Guess it was too wacky for this day and age !!