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@terry wrote:
@terry wrote:
Another interesting statistic is that Obama received 10 million fewer votes than he did four years ago. In the back of his mind the President must be wondering what the future holds for him and if there’s another bin Laden moment that will boost his flagging popularity. He certainly needs one.
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Sitting governments commonly get fewer votes than incoming governments. Considering the dire state of the US economy, the formation of the Tea Party, the personal attacks of people like Donald Trump etc, Obama has done well to be re-elected.
What is his future? Well, having been re-elected, whether by a million votes more or less, this is his last term, when it’s over, he will live much as other ex-presidents have done. Comfortable, well-protected, influential and rich.
@terry wrote:
. . . . . 86% of black voters voted for Obama and that was a statistic from today’s papers. You have to admire the 14% who decided that Obama’s ‘blackness’ (as you put it) was far less important than his ‘crapness’.
Another interesting statistic is that Obama received 10 million fewer votes than he did four years ago. In the back of his mind the President must be wondering what the future holds for him and if there’s another bin Laden moment that will boost his flagging popularity. He certainly needs one.
Unless black people vote with their skins rather than their brains, there’s no special reason to admire a ‘black’ American who disagrees with their president any more than we should admire a ‘white’ American who agrees with him. There is only one race, the human race, so their ‘blackness’ will have had less to do with their vote than their opinion on his policies.
Why ‘blackness’? Because Obama is not black in colour, but by ‘racial’ categorisation.
Just like ours, The US electoral system doesn’t deliver on overall majority but by territorial advantage. All parties know this, and campaign to deliver electoral college, rather than numerical wins. Both major parties will have invested heavily in manipulating the system, but despite the reduction in Obama’s votes, and getting the majority of votes from the largest ‘ethnic group’ in the US, Romney failed to get elected.
@terry wrote:
Another interesting statistic is that Obama received 10 million fewer votes than he did four years ago. In the back of his mind the President must be wondering what the future holds for him and if there’s another bin Laden moment that will boost his flagging popularity. He certainly needs one.
Five reasons why Obama won:
Of course some people voted for Obama because he is black just as some people didn’t vote for him simply because he is black….you can’t scream like a bitch (terry) because he gets black votes if you don’t mention the people who won’t vote for a black candidate
It’s politics, candidates are different and poeple vote for all sort of reasons…I would’ve voted for him because he’s lush :lol:In US, being black is important.
Black Americans are the only racial group who didn’t go to America by choice, were held as chattel slaves for centuries, and then brutally excluded from life in a way that Terry wasn’t.
When I was small, one black 14 year-old, terrribly shy lad called Emmett Till, was on holiday with his grandparents in the Deep South and a couple of white girls accused him of leerng at them. He was taken to a barn, where he could be heard screaming for several hours. His mutilated body was then dumped n a lake wrapped in barbed wire. His killers were arrested tried and set free, to the cheers of the court and the admiring looks of their wives. Emmett’s grandfather was kept at the back of the court with the other blacks.
In South Carolina after the war, a black seviceman bemeddled in full military uniform, was prevented from voting by a white cop who gouged the soldier’s eyes out wiht his billy stick.
Two of countless stories of humilation, bviolence and degradation – of a race – because of their colour. They are not made up.
Obama’s elelction as President was a seriously important symbolic victory.
The problems of poverty, unemployment, generations of inferiority feeling – these remain.
The symbol is important..but let’s not get dewy-eyed. There are some real problems ahead, and Obama hasn’t kept his promises.
@sceptical guy wrote:
Black Americans are the only racial group who didn’t go to America by choice, were held as chattel slaves for centuries, and then brutally excluded from life in a way that Terry wasn’t.
Obama’s elelction as President was a seriously important symbolic victory.
Yes, it was symbolic, but 14% of black Americans have now decided they’ve had enough of symbolism and Tony Blair’s retrospective apologies.
Maybe it’s time you stood down from the pulpit and while you’re at it put aside these constant smears about me being a racist. You’ve apologised for every post and accusation you’ve made about me, but it would be quite nice if – instead of apologising – you could resist the urge to brand me a racist in the first place.
@terry wrote:
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@wordsworth60 wrote:
@terry wrote:
. . . . . . 14% of black Americans . . . . . . . . . . . . Tony Blair’s . . . . . .
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Yes wordsworth, 14% who don’t want to jump on the race card bandwagon the way you and sceptical guy do. Get over it.
@terry wrote:
@wordsworth60 wrote:
Yes wordsworth, 14% who don’t want to jump on the race card bandwagon the way you and sceptical guy do. Get over it.
I’m glad that there are a significant number of ‘black’ Americans who, when they play the race card, do it differently from me. I seem to be much worse at it than you are.
In responding to your repeated reference to the subject, I’ve downplayed the importance of ‘blackness’ in favour of the ideas of there being ‘one race, the human race’: that ‘black’ people might have voted for or against President Obama because their opinions on his policies and performance rather than his place on a colour chart. You seem to reject that idea. Repeatedly.
But do you really think they were influenced by Tony Blair?
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