Not Again

Such is not life tho PB , have you never heard the saying them that shout loudest? see my other thread x

@forumhostpb wrote:

I keep on being drawn back to the inescapable fact, that in the majority of cases (NOT all cases) it is the parents – or their partners – who are primarily responsible for the awful things that children suffer, as we see almost weekly in the Media.

No amount of ‘vigilante justice’ etc seems to provide a way of actually preventing this. Reacting AFTER the event yes – but stopping parents (or relatives for that matter) from abusing their own kith & kin, no.

I agree totally Pb, but how many times have we said 7 years!!!! 18 months!!!! let them rot!!!! so, for those that are caught let life for instance mean life, maybe even a news black out on anything they do to avoid the relatives of those taken or horrifically abused having the names of the abusers shoved in their faces on a regular basis, let them rot, lets not hear anythng about them etc? When I say those who shout the loudest, the what can we do statements, well maybe we can change just one thing…….maybe we can change the judicial sentences for these people ? at least we will have tried?

@forumhostpb wrote:

“Innocent until proven Guilty (beyond all reasonable doubt)” is a fine concept and is one that protects ALL of us against being falsely accused or wrongly convicted.

However, it seems to me that this wonderful concept applies only to the (alleged) perpetrator of a crime. The victim has no protection under law – as the law only comes into effect AFTER a crime has been (allegedly) committed.

I certainly agree with the post on your other thread Cath, that the Human Rights Act ought to be repealed – and the sooner the better.

Ah yes indeed, but, the human rights campaigners will never let it be that these people who commit the most horrific acts on the children of our world get too tough……. we all of course think that they should rot etc, but, its not going to happen, what I am saying I am firmly convinced slowly and surely co-ordinated views of ‘the people’ in this country can bring about change, lets start small, lets feel as though WE are actually doing something?

I agree Susie, a lot of sentencing is based on the idea that given counselling, support and education, a convicted felon can be reformed and be released back into the community in the sure knowledge they will never commit another crime.

I think the only time that worked was in the film Clockwork Orange!

@forumhostpb wrote:

I totally share the above views. I firmly believe in retribution and not in redemption or reformation.

To the ‘tree huggers’ and ‘social reformers’ I say this. Don’t speak of reforming bad people, they have no inner desire to be reformed. Instead simply treat them like the criminals they are and lock them away from society until they are incapable through age or infirmity of offending.

If that sounds harsh, well it is – but then they made that life choice all by themselves. Always remember that a criminal locked up in prison cannot commit crimes in the free world where we all live.

I think I have briefly covered this one before PB the fact that the criminal who is locked up for abuse on children get free physchiatric care whereas many of there ‘survivors’ in fact have to pay themselves to get good counselling. this is fact, I have been involved with some who simply cannot afford the counselling and the NHS doesnt have the facility to provide it for everyone, thing is an adult who was , in some cases severely abused as a child, does not have the same needs as a child does and of course , quite rightly in some ways the children come first. Human rights? try talking to a room full of those that have been abused, see how much their human rights are taken into account….

However, a person (both men and women) who has been sexually abused as a child carries this with them for the rest of their lives!!

One of the aims of getting people to channel all the disgust and horror at child abuse cases energy into letting the powers that be that we the people wont tolerate it any more, the namby pamby sentencing etc…………in danger of repeating myself…….
We can’t of course save the world, but, i firmly beleive if enough people stand together etc……..