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why don’t you tell us your ethnic background instead of skirting round the issue
I have decided to tell you, although I don’t see how it changes anything. I was born in France, although my parents weren’t, so genetically I am half Iberian, and half Scandinavian. Culturally I think of myself as something like 90% British and 10% French.
Americans sometimes tell me that I look Mexican, but I don’t really see it myself.
Americans sometimes tell me that I look Mexican, but I don’t really see it myself.
Does that mean that Americans think you look like a rapist???!!!
That was a joke..honest.I was thinking of Trump on mexican immigrants.
A religious war in the physical sense of the turn is highly likely to turn into a race war. It would be horrible even if it didn’t.
The reason is that while some white Brits have become muslims (I once knew a nutty Scots lecturer who had become a fantaical Muslim), most are non-white. A war against Muslims would soon get out of control, as moderate Muslims would be radicalised., and as it developed, a race war is only too likeley.
But a religious war is bad enough.
And is unlikely to happen.
This country is too committed to order and stability to let an internal war (the nost dangerous of all wars) develop. That’s why the small number of genuine fascists and nazis who spin lies and create fear will meet their limits…..I hope
Does that mean that Americans think you look like a rapist???!!!
That was a joke..honest.I was thinking of Trump on mexican immigrants.
I’m planning to visit America in January, so Trump will have to get the wall up fast if he wants to stop me.
A religious war in the physical sense of the turn is highly likely to turn into a race war. It would be horrible even if it didn’t.
The reason is that while some white Brits have become muslims (I once knew a nutty Scots lecturer who had become a fantaical Muslim), most are non-white. A war against Muslims would soon get out of control, as moderate Muslims would be radicalised., and as it developed, a race war is only too likeley.
But a religious war is bad enough.
And is unlikely to happen.
If we are going to talk about race, lets look at the biggest muslim populations in the world:
Country/Region<sup id=”cite_ref-pewmuslim1_1-7″ class=”reference”>[1]</sup> Muslims Muslim percentage (%) of total population Percentage (%) of World Muslim population World Total 1,703,146,000<sup id=”cite_ref-gordonconwell.edu_6-1″ class=”reference”>[6]</sup> 23.4 100.0 South Asia 507,000,000<sup id=”cite_ref-104″ class=”reference”>[104]</sup> 31.0 32.0 Middle East–North Africa 321,869,000 91.2 19.9 Southeast-East Asia 257,000,000<sup id=”cite_ref-105″ class=”reference”>[105]</sup><sup id=”cite_ref-106″ class=”reference”>[106]</sup> 13.0 15.0 Sub-Saharan Africa 242,544,000 29.6 15.0 
Indonesia204,847,000 87.2<sup id=”cite_ref-59″ class=”reference”>[59]</sup> 12.7 
Pakistan178,000,000 96.4 11.0 
India172,000,000 14.2 10.9 
Bangladesh145,607,000 86.3<sup id=”cite_ref-.E0.A6.AC.E0.A6.BE.E0.A6.82.E0.A6.B2.E0.A6.BE.E0.A6.A6.E0.A7.87.E0.A6.B6.E0.A6.95.E0.A7.87_.E0.A6.9C.E0.A6.BE.E0.A6.A8.E0.A7.81.E0.A6.A8_32-0″ class=”reference”>[32]</sup> 9.2 
Nigeria93,839,000 41<sup id=”cite_ref-76″ class=”reference”>[76]</sup>-50<sup id=”cite_ref-77″ class=”reference”>[77]</sup> 4.7 
Iran74,819,000 99.7 4.6 
Turkey74,660,000 98.6 4.6 
Egypt73,800,000 90<sup id=”cite_ref-49″ class=”reference”>[49]</sup> 4.9 Central Asia 54,000,000<sup id=”cite_ref-103″ class=”reference”>[103]</sup> 80.0 3.0 Europe 44,138,000 6.0 2.7 
Algeria40,400,000 98.2 <sup id=”cite_ref-pewmuslim1_1-8″ class=”reference”>[1]</sup> – >99<sup id=”cite_ref-auto_28-0″ class=”reference”>[28]</sup> 2.7 
Sudan39,027,950 97.0<sup id=”cite_ref-91″ class=”reference”>[91]</sup> 1.9 
Morocco32,381,000 99<sup id=”cite_ref-73″ class=”reference”>[73]</sup> 2.0 
Iraq31,108,000 98.9 1.9 
Afghanistan29,047,100 99.8 1.8 
Uzbekistan26,833,000 96.5 1.7 
Saudi Arabia25,493,000 97.1 1.6 
Ethiopia25,037,646<sup id=”cite_ref-52″ class=”reference”>[52]</sup> 34 1.8 
Yemen24,023,000 99.0 1.5 
China22,000,000<sup id=”cite_ref-CFPS2012-013CGSS_45-0″ class=”reference”>[45]</sup>-50,000,000<sup id=”cite_ref-46″ class=”reference”>[46]</sup> 1.8 1.4 
Syria20,895,000 90 1.3 So we have Indonesians, Indians, Arabs, Africans and Chinese. That’s a lot of races to start a war against. So I would agree that it’s very unlikely, and highly impractical.
This country is too committed to order and stability to let an internal war (the nost dangerous of all wars) develop. That’s why the small number of genuine fascists and nazis who spin lies and create fear will meet their limits…..I hope
Most of the actual fascists are on the far left these days, but I don’t really see much evidence of anyone supporting neo-nazis in Britian.
In the most recent nazi rally I have heard about here, they listened to German music in a field. They then went to try and donate money to Royal Legion, which was rejected so they went home. I don’t think i’m going to lose sleep at night if that’s the worst threat they represent.
Jo Cox would have liked the Nazis to be so inactive.
Actually, the white supremacists, fascists etc are a small minority but they work within the Right now. I beleive UKIP has a (ex) nazi infusion. I know of one person in JC who has expressed admiration for hitler and white supremacism and belongs to UKIP.
To talk of nazis on the Far left is part of your bizarre models of behaviour. You are going to ahve to go a long way to persuade me of that one – and you’re not talking of a fan of the Socialist Workers party etc…
More worrying is the ability of small minorities to punch above their weight – both of the Far Right and the Far Left.
The religious/race war I was talking about would take place within this country. I don’t see it happening, thank God, but if you want to do a religion/racial correlation of muslims within the UK that would be handy.
so, BB, you want an all-out religious war? Or what??
There already is one taking place. It’s why non-Muslims all around the world are facing severe persecution, bloodshed and–particularly in the case of religious minorities in the Middle East (Christians especially)–extinction. Islam is relentlessly continuing the global jihad against non-Muslims and non-Islamic societies that it’s been aggressively waging for the last 1, 400 years, and people need to wake up before it’s too late to do anything about it.
My understanding is that your posts on Jo Cox were banned from the site – I believe it was from fear of legal action being taken, though Martin may correct me on that. You want to take Martin out too as a Muslim and EU-lover???
You make it clear that your intolerance is absolute, and that your definition of a Western civilisation is a very perverted one, emptied of anything that makes our society worth defending against radical Islam.
And here is typical weasel skep desperately trying to tag anyone whose aim is to defend Western values and traditions–against the onslaught of a barbaric Islamic death cult that seeks to completely eradicate and replace them with the extremely abhorrent Sharia law–as an intolerant/far-right/racist/KKK member/Nazi etc. Gets a bit old after a while.
I’m not aware of anything being deleted, bit disappointed if it was but that’s completely up to him to do at his discretion as it’s his website. Though lol at legal action, let me know what post was deleted and I’ll be happy to send a copy of it to the police myself if you like.
Btw what you refer to as “radical Islam”, is just standard Islam.
Though I fully expect you to already know this and are just trying to create the misleading impression that a nice moderate and peaceful Islam exists and is fine, and that it’s really just a distorted radical version of Islam followed by a few nutty extremists that’s the real problem which needs tackling.I’d trust that most people who are reading through this are switched on enough to understand why exactly somebody who stands with Islam in wanting the demise of the Western world and all of it’s values, would deliberately be trying to convince people of this false narrative of there being a good vs bad Islam – of what exactly it aims to achieve.
In particular, the attempt to equate Islam with religions such as Christianity is–perhaps coincidentally in this case (but perhaps not)– a strategy that “Islamists” use to the pull the wool over peoples eyes, to trick them into believing that religions are equally as benign or as equally as dangerous as each other, and that any special attention placed upon Islam is therefore not warranted. This of course is categorically wrong; certain religions are miles apart in content, in language, in mainstream interpretation, and in the the effect they have had, and continue to have, on believers through the ages. The fact that Judaeo-Christian values and principles are what the entire Western world is founded upon, is a crucial factor for why we now have all the equalities, civil liberties, rights and freedoms that we currently enjoy; and why there exists such a stark contrast between our Judaeo-Christian based Western world, and that of Middle Eastern Arab cesspit’s which have Islamic values and principles as their foundation – places where rape victims are punished and people are routinely stoned to death, etc.
No one should trust anything skep writes, his agenda should be obvious by now.
He’s not only wrong but flat-out misleading, and deliberately so.Will post a bit more when I have some time.
Read this fantastic article this morning…yes its the DM…I havent looked to see if it is anywhere else. Its written by a Muslim genteleman,
Jo Cox would have liked the Nazis to be so inactive.
That wasn’t an orgnisied group of Nazis, which is what we are talking about. But as I said in the other thread, i’m not really sure how much of the evidence linking him to nazis I believe.
I beleive UKIP has a (ex) nazi infusion. I know of one person in JC who has expressed admiration for hitler and white supremacism and belongs to UKIP.
I haven’t really seen very much evidence of that, but I would have thought the BNP would be more aligned with their views than UKIP.
To talk of nazis on the Far left is part of your bizarre models of behaviour. You are going to ahve to go a long way to persuade me of that one – and you’re not talking of a fan of the Socialist Workers party etc… More worrying is the ability of small minorities to punch above their weight – both of the Far Right and the Far Left.
The Nazis were a left wing party in terms of ecconomic policy, but that isn’t what I meant. I said there are a lot of facists in the left wing, which there is. Particularly the newer forms of marxists that have appeared over the last decade, and have begun to shut down discussion of many subjects under the name of political correctness and social justice. I’m not sure how you can’t see this, it’s everywhere and infecting everything.
Even in this discussion i’ve had my ethnicity questioned in an attempt to discredit me. But I can give much more serious examples. A lot of media is under their control, both old and new. Examples of this is the mass censorship of twitter by their ‘trust and safety council’ mainly conservative people, but they also banned accounts related to a Saudi human rights movement (I have always assumed this highlights the hypocracy of the femminist / islamist alliance) or the BBC’s open discrimination against white people (there are many other examples of this happening).
The religious/race war I was talking about would take place within this country. I don’t see it happening, thank God, but if you want to do a religion/racial correlation of muslims within the UK that would be handy.
I know, I was just examining which races we would have to remove from the country in the event that a race war actually happened. I’m not sure what the racial makeup of the muslim population here actually is, its not something I have ever researched.
Read this fantastic article this morning…yes its the DM…I havent looked to see if it is anywhere else. Its written by a Muslim genteleman, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4003946/I-despair-British-Muslims-choose-live-virtual-apartheid-writes-Dr-Taj-Hargey.html
If all that was implemented it certainly would be an ideal Britain…..think we all know just because someone has said it doesn’t mean its possible….and I don’t think its possible….maybe up to the point of entry yes….immigrants will only see it as a change in immigration applications and they will learn what needs to be learnt to get over the extra hurdle.
The problem will lie in policing immigrants who break the “law” once here, settled etc…….if a parent breaks the “law” are they expelled? Will that include the kids too?…….Also if immigrants are to live by these British values 100% they will be entitled to British citizen surely automatically…..once they become a british citizen can you expel them from their country?
I’m not being a part pooper….I think things have gotten out of control here to the point of no return
I would also imagine the ramifications for Brits abroad living in some of these Asian countries wouldn’t be very comfortable.
I think things have gotten out of control here to the point of no return I would also imagine the ramifications for Brits abroad living in some of these Asian countries wouldn’t be very comfortable.
This really depends on your definition of which countries are in Asia, I usually think of the Middle East as being seperate, which only leaves Pakistan as a muslim country of any significant size.But for the sake of discussion, lets include Iran and Saudi Arabia, I don’t think there are many Brits living there.
I dont know how to copy & quote:
“It is worth mentioning for people that don’t know, Sharia law doesn’t actually come from the Quran. It comes from some of the Hadiths and it isn’t seen as a part of Islam by some sects of the religion because of this.” – Incorrect – Sharia law does come from the Quran and from fatwas (which may be based on hadiths). Above all there is no such thing as a sharia court. It is subordinated to the law of the land (assume UK). It has no legal bearing on the decision. People go to the sharia councils for advice and elder ruling which is considered ‘halal’ – a form of mediation. If there is any disagreement then the party may go to the UK courts for another verdict which is legally binding. The council arbitrates on varieity of matters ranging from financial, commercial matters or (i believe the majority of cases) divorce. A talak given by a council is a sharia compliant document – but it has no legal bearing. If the husband (for example) wants to sponser a wife outside from the UK then they will have to go thru a UK divorce court but with the understanding that they have settled their financial/custodial matters and all that remains is usually a draft order which is sealed by the judge.
Muslims do not respect UK law, for them Sharia law is gods law and is the only law that they’re obligated to respect and obey. What you state as being advisory is as good as being legally binding within Muslim communities because, as drac rightfully said, it is the Muslim communities themselves that act to enforce it. Any Muslims that step out of the fold and go against Sharia rulings will be punished for it by other Muslims, and will therefore be deterred from seeking resolution via the national police and judiciary system.
2. Jihad – partially correct but very heavily biased. The arab word al-aharb has over 40 different meanings depending on the context. It ranges from an internal struggle, to outside single struggle to the heavily biased war-mongering on non-believers.
I notice you subtly left out the 40 meanings of jihad from your analysis but hey ho
I’ve never heard of the term al-aharb but it doesn’t mean jihad and isn’t found in the Qur’an from what I can tell. The closest I know of is maybe al-harb which just means “war”, but again that isn’t jihad. The term “jihad” is based on the Arabic triliteral root of “J-H-D” and it means “struggle” or “to strive hard” and contextually is overwhelmingly interpreted in the sense of conflict, of struggling and striving hard in the name of Allah against non-believers to both defend Islam and to establish global Islamic hegemony. It’s no coincidence that a participant of jihad is called a “mujahid” with it’s plural form being “mujahideen” – a term which groups such as ISIS and Al-Qaeda proudly refer to themselves as being; soldiers of Allah.
The whole inner spiritual jihad vs outer jihad distinction also has little merit as the hadith that this is based upon are not only weak, but fabricated.
3. Reading a book does not mean you understand it. I can read kanji (very limited!) but i cannot comprehend the meanings behind the images. It requires someone to teach/explore the meanings. The standard arabic of the Quran is written in a short-hand. It assumes that the reader has read the text in the context of the history. Picking out single sentenances from obvious alt-right/heavily biased sites will give a meaning – reading the sura (quote) from understanding the context and/or history behind it gives another interpretation.
This is a good argument for why religions need to be understood in their proper contexts and interpretations, and in this regard I agree. This is also what those who take issue with actual benign religions like Christianity really need to keep in mind before randomly pointing to any bad words within it and declaring how similarly evil it is to Islam. “but but, the old testament!!…”
What I disagree with you on there, is that the alt-right/heavily biased sites you allude to are distorting it’s true contexts and interpretations. The majority of the sites I’ve seen that paint a negative picture of Islam seem to be familiar with how Islam is structured and how it’s suppose to be understood, with some even referencing the authoritative mainstream sources that are used by Islam’s own adherents for coming to an accurate understanding of it – sites such as http://wikiislam.net. With Islam, the more you understand it properly with it’s rightful contexts and interpretations, the worse it seems. It’s the complete opposite for Christianity.
4. Going back to the original posters statement – i am still confused where muslims have failed to intergrate and why muslims were pointed out rather than other religions from buddists, to hindus to zen etc…. Anyways must dash for my nails – they are looking awful (1 week + without any tlc!) MM
Lol.
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