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That study is specifically students yes, I can find another study on general populations if you wish, there are quite a few with similar results. I recieved the link that this particular study from a professional sociologist, with a confirmation that the methodology and sampling strategies were solid, right leanng or not. (He had some criticism of what the ‘Not very supportive’ category actually means).
I don’t really understand why British muslims are draw towards these views, but I think that propaganda published by Saudi funded groups and ISIS are partially the cause. I also don’t think that the left leaning media helps when it trys to falsely portray half the population as evil racists who hate muslims.
Islamic theology inherently commands active warfare against Western nations – to take them over and turn them into Islamic societies.
Do no other religions contain teachings or theologies that discriminate against others or command warfare on others? Is Islam unique in this regard?
Some discriminate a little bit maybe in terms of a few petty minor things, yeah… but absolutely nowhere near the level of the pure vitriol that’s contained within Islam. The majority of the scripture is dedicated towards deriding non-Muslims as being sub-human excrement that needs to be fought against until they are either subdued under Islamic rule, or wiped out. This is why, in accordance with Islamic theology, non-Muslims are ultimately given three options: to convert to Islam, to pay the jizya (extortion tax) under Islamic rule, or be killed. These three choices that all non-Muslims face, pretty much sums up the entirety of Islam.
To elaborate a bit more though, the main reasons that Islam is unique from other religions is:
1) The guy who founded it, the prophet Muhammad, is the only founder of a major religion to also be a warrior and a psychopathic war lord. All Islamic scripture is essentially based on the words and deeds of him, so it’s a given that the nature of the religion will also reflect his character and desires – which just so happens to be both inherently intolerant and brutal against anyone and everyone that refuses to submit to his command and rule (i.e all non-Muslims). Cue jihad:
2) The doctrine of jihad – understood as the obligation of the Ummah (Muslim community) to conquer and subdue the world in the name of Allah and rule it under Sharia law. This doctrine is a result of Muhammad giving the decree to his followers that they’ve “been ordered by Allah to fight men [all men] until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger.” No other mainstream religion that I’m aware of gives what amounts to a standing order to forcefully wage war and commit violence against the rest of the world, simply on account of them not adhering to the religion. Some religions have rules for retaliating against attacks for self-defence purposes for sure, and some encourage it’s followers to proselytize in attempt to softly persuade people to convert; but jihad is intrinsically unique in that it prescribes for Muslims to be the initiators of all forms of aggression towards all others (all non-Muslims and non-Islamic societies) until they’re either converted to Islam, in a state of submission under Islamic rule, or perish. With Islam, non-Muslims simply don’t have a choice to live freely.
3) Sharia law – a legal and political framework embedded within the religion that dictates precisely how any given society under Islam should be run. This makes Islam not just a religion, but also a political ideology. Forget the idea of Muslims following the laws of whatever non-Islamic land they’re in (as other religions allow of their adherents), Sharia law is all that matters as it’s held to be the laws that Allah himself wants everyone to live by, so they are the only laws that Muslims are obligated to abide by and must also strive to bring about. (Also hope it doesn’t need pointing out how Sharia law pretty much completely contrasts with Western laws/values.)
4) Deception. Muslims are permitted and encouraged to lie and use all forms of deception towards non-Muslims in order to the further the goals of Islam (i.e to protect Islam and to bring about global Islamic hegemony with Sharia being the ruling system of governance everywhere).
It’s essentially a religious flavour of Nazism on steroids whereas other religions aren’t, and is why all other mainstream religions can peacefully coexist with one another as equals, whereas Islam cannot peacefully coexist with any of them. Islam is inherently supremacist and seeks to dominate and extinguish all alternative religions and all opposing values that run contrary to it, and which is why it needs to be squashed sooner than later.
good point, Martin. Christianity and Islam are evangelistic – they seek to convert. Most muslims do not advocate violence. They seek peaceful conversion. They see jihad – holy war – in terms of evangelising, just as Christians conduct a holy war in non-military terms (Onward, Christian soldiers). I don’t like Islam, but I’ve found the Muslims I’ve met are much more considerate and respectful to people than a lot of Christians I’ve met. That’s why mutual tolerance is essential.
Garbage.
I think there are a few communities in this country who do not integrate wholeheartedly. Muslims in my opinion are the worst, followed by Bangladeshis. The Chinese and gypsies also. I know there are pockets of areas in the country where Indians are quite insular too. whilst the muslims will work etc, they rarely socialise with non muslims. Even in a mixed marriage which is normally a white female marrying a Muslim male the female has to convert to Islam. My friends daughter (Indian) married a Muslim and she converted too. It’s their way or the highway. it bugs me we pander to the Muslim community so much. Why? What is their hold as a small community on the nation that this happens? as for Christmas being further and further watered down to suit others is ridiculous! Fair enough they don’t celebrate it, I don’t celebrate Ramadan but I’m not offended by it. I always feel a bit hypocritical with my views on subjects like this. I know baptised sikhs wear turbans and our older generation ladies where our Indian clothes, and some may see that as not integrating. But my mum is baptised and wears Indian clothes but has every year celebrated Christmas since she came here aged 18. So where my opinions are biased to Indians I’m sure Muslims could give their opinions the same maybe. all said and done I don’t want to offend anyone either. I’ve posted from my personal experiences and I know not every single person in any given community is the same and guys I don’t mind if anyone wants to ask me anything
As a testament to the amount of disdain contained within Islam towards non-Muslims, it is forbidden for Muslims to be friends with or mix with non-Muslims.
This is mostly why they don’t and won’t integrate.
Take a read: https://islamqa.info/en/59879 (kaafir = non-Muslim)
- “Allaah has forbidden the believers to take the kaafireen (disbelievers) as friends, and He has issued a stern warning against doing that. “
- “One of the forms of making friends with the kaafirs which is forbidden is taking them as friends and companions, mixing with them and eating and playing with them.”
From the point you’ve made I can see how comments including mine are ignorant. Think the main point is that the reason schools aren’t celebrating Christmas etc seems purely because muslims are being offended. Perhaps it is because no one in schools celebrate a muslim festival? I personally don’t know any muslim festivals, I’m assuming Ramadam isn’t a festival. Anyway can Ramadam be celebrated and taught along side festivals like Diwali and Christmas? I don’t know enough about it and my questions might seem stupid, but I’m not too proud to ask questions and if I look stupid I look stupid. Wont be the first time and certainly wont be the last.
Muslims are forbidden from celebrating or participating in non-Islamic holidays or festivities; and also forbidden from congratulating or showing joy with those who do. Islam is an extremely intolerant religion.
A MAJORITY of muslims are radical, every reliable study on muslim populations in Europe show this. I don’t understand how anyone can defend them.
I can. People like skeptical_guy hate the Western world and are in alignment with Islamic values. That’s why you will only get a defence of Muslims/Islam from him while trying to make out that those who actually stand for Western values and seek to defend and uphold them, are just nasty/racist/xenophobics yadda yadda yadda.
Your assessment of Islam is largely accurate BB, it’s as much a political ideology as a religion which is where it differers from christianity and most people don’t understand this. It is worth mentioning of course that not all muslims are Islamists, even if a narrow majority appear to be.
People like skeptical_guy hate the Western world and are in alignment with Islamic values.
Not quite sure I agree with you on this one, there are people like that but I don’t think Skep is an Islamist
A MAJORITY of muslims are radical, every reliable study on muslim populations in Europe show this. I don’t understand how anyone can defend them.
I think it’s important to note that the very study you are citing states the following (emphasis is mine):
This report covers the views and experiences on campus of Muslim university students in the UK. Therefore, it should not be considered a commentary on British Muslims generally.
BB, are you suggesting there are no intolerant commandments or recommendations in the holy books of other religions?
I think it’s important to note that the very study you are citing states the following (emphasis is mine)
You are correct, but it is a piece of a larger picture, other studies on general populations (In France and Germany as well as the UK) show similar patterns.
bb are you suggesting there are no intolerant commandments or recommendations in the holy books of other religions?
The way that Jews specifically, and to a lesser degree atheists are talked about in the Quran is written very much differently than anything you will find in the Bible.
Your assessment of Islam is largely accurate BB, it’s as much a political ideology as a religion which is where it differers from christianity and most people don’t understand this. It is worth mentioning of course that not all muslims are Islamists, even if a narrow majority appear to be.
People like skeptical_guy hate the Western world and are in alignment with Islamic values.
Not quite sure I agree with you on this one, there are people like that but I don’t think Skep is an Islamist
So, drac, what’s the difference between a Muslim and an Islamist?
BB – hahaha. You’re like SHR – no disagreeing with you, is there?
The brothers have your address, BB. Be afraid, be very afraid
- sala’am – bows to Mecca and starts to froth at the mouth as I rant against Western values…
but wait, aren’t freedom of speech and religion Western values????
So, drac, what’s the difference between a Muslim and an Islamist?
I generally categorise Muslims into 4 groups, although I haven’t made the distinction in my discussion here I probably should have done.
Jihadist
A muslim who commits acts of violence in the name of Islam.
Islamist
A muslim who pushes the political ideology of Islam, usually are supportive of the Jihadists.
Fundamentalist
A muslim who believes in the literal word of the Quran, and whichever Hadiths their flavour of Islam they prefer. May also be an Islamist or Jihadist, but most aren’t.
Liberal™
A muslim who does not strictly follow their faith and rulings of their local Sharia court, and the only kind that I would want to tolerate in our society.
but wait, aren’t freedom of speech and religion Western values????
Freedom of religion isn’t a value held by all western countries. Frence laicite bans most forms of public worship or religious iconography.
And no western country has freedom of speach, especially since the introduction of hate crimes. But an older example would be incitement to violence being illegal.
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