Muslims must integrate more

SHR. wrote:

draculina wrote:

Are you going to deport me then? Lol.

Why not, you want to deport Muslims who don’t meet your exacting standards and have have said so openly on this thread. Secondly, an immigrant who home schools their children because they don’t “trust” the British education system, clearly rejects our British values and is clearly not an integrated member of our society.

She’s on bully power trip. Such a shame, too, because she’s probably a grown up. Draculina is infinitely better than you so you should show the respect that she deserves.

sceptical guy wrote:

drac, If you think I’m a racist then you’re living in the same upside-down world as BB, where good is bad, right is wrong, Hitler is a centre-left politician. I hate to point out the obvious, but Scots don’t have a different skin-colour, and you’re entering into definite realms of maybe when you say that Scots aren’t separate from England – look at their governmnt

I don’t want to think you are racist Scep, but you said that people think differently based of if they are of African, Indian or White decent. That is racism as far as i’m concerned. I wasn’t talking about your comments on Scottish people, but not all Scots are white either so again you are showing a weird kind of racial bias here.

sceptical guy wrote:

We are a multi-cultural society. values are not shared between Christians, atheists, Muslims, Jews etc. We are a varied country – we’re not all English in the old sense of the term. We’re British, and we are changing as we’ve always changed in response to other societies.

Multi-culturalism doesn’t work, it never has done. Even Merkel has said this in the past, although why she has failed to act on this on the 7 years since then I don’t know. Society doesn’t function if people don’t share values.

sceptical guy wrote:

if you think I’m a racist, then you’re in danger of turning the thread into idiot talk – of UKIP extremism where tolerance of different cultures within one country is unacceptable, and your opponents as traitors etc. This is actually NOT British values.

There is a difference between tolerating certain cultural practices, and tolerating their entire culture.

I don’t really believe your statements about Britain always being tolerant. Speaking Welsh used to be punishable by cutting out your tounge. Or something that is within living memory, the castration of gay people. Even people that would otherwise be national heros such as Alan Turing.

I don’t want to go back to those times, but what you are saying about British history is objectively false.

I’m going to change the subject away from what is and isn’t British values because its not very productive.

I’ve been watching some interviews with Tommy Robbinson recently. I’m going to assume that most people here either don’t know who is he is, or don’t like him. Regardless of that, he has said a few things that I have never heard of before. I still need to do some research to see if there is any truth to his claims but I will summerise them for you.

He says that the disproportionately high population of muslims in prison is a large contributor to radicalisation, where the only contact with the outside a lot of them have is with salafist imams. He also claims that muslims are a majority in most prisons (which I haven’t checked yet), which allows them to control the black market of cigarettes and drugs inside of the prison. Because of this they can force people to either convert to Islam or pay jizya in order to have access to the drugs.

If any of this is true then it seems that the prison system needs to be changed significantly. What do you think about this?

draculina wrote:

I’m going to change the subject away from what is and isn’t British values because its not very productive. I’ve been watching some interviews with Tommy Robbinson recently. I’m going to assume that most people here either don’t know who is he is, or don’t like him. Regardless of that, he has said a few things that I have never heard of before. I still need to do some research to see if there is any truth to his claims but I will summerise them for you. He says that the disproportionately high population of muslims in prison is a large contributor to radicalisation, where the only contact with the outside a lot of them have is with salafist imams. He also claims that muslims are a majority in most prisons (which I haven’t checked yet), which allows them to control the black market of cigarettes and drugs inside of the prison. Because of this they can force people to either convert to Islam or pay jizya in order to have access to the drugs. If any of this is true then it seems that the prison system needs to be changed significantly. What do you think about this?

Why are you quoting the ignorant racist and anti-Muslim Tommy Robinson, a thief and convicted criminal and attempting to pass his views of as fact?

SHR. wrote:

Why are you quoting the ignorant racist and anti-Muslim Tommy Robinson, a thief and convicted criminal and attempting to pass his views of as fact?

I don’t think he is racist, he can certainly be an idiot though. But why don’t you try addressing what he said, instead of who he is?

The Ministry Of Justice published these statisitcs in 2014 :

So if there are muslim majority prisons, they can’t be very common.