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13 January, 2017 at 4:35 pm #1019674
Anti Muslims who dubiously claim “rape” is the norm in the Middle East and then automatically link it to Muslims and the Muslim faith, really should look much closer to home. Some facts for them about violence and sexual assault against women in the UK.
The statistics you quoted are very flawed, they are for reports of rape not convictions, which are different. It also doesn’t include prison rapes, which if included show that more men are raped than women. I think this is a very clear bias. It also says the following:
“Only around 15% of those who experience sexual violence choose to report to the police”
This isn’t something you can know to any resonable degree of accuracy.
13 January, 2017 at 4:41 pm #1019675Lets look at some more facts.
Sexism is not an imported product. Until 1997, under German law men could legally rape their wives, and even today less than 10% of rape trials end in convictions. Sexual assault statistics themselves are notoriously unreliable, as the vast majority of victims do not report their attackers. But a 2013 global survey estimated that one in three women around the world will face sexual violence in their lives. For the “Eastern Mediterranean,” that figure was just above 36%, while for “high-income countries” like Germany it was nearly 33%”
A mere 3% difference. What does that tell us about so called ‘civilized’ “Western society”, that Anti Muslims would have us believe is far superior to the Middle East.
13 January, 2017 at 4:46 pm #1019677This isn’t something you can know to any resonable degree of accuracy.
You’re doing it again Draculina, flippantly dismissing evidence you don’t agree with, while ludicrously claiming “rape” is the “norm” in the Middle East without any evidence at all. You could argue with yourself in an empty phone box.
13 January, 2017 at 4:47 pm #1019678Sexual assault statistics themselves are notoriously unreliable, as the vast majority of victims do not report their attackers.
Again, you can’t know how many people don’t report it. But this is true to a degree. They are also a lot of false reports.
Sexism is not an imported product. Until 1997, under German law men could legally rape their wives, and even today less than 10% of rape trials end in convictions. Sexual assault statistics themselves are notoriously unreliable, as the vast majority of victims do not report their attackers. But a 2013 global survey estimated that one in three women around the world will face sexual violence in their lives. For the “Eastern Mediterranean,” that figure was just above 36%, while for “high-income countries” like Germany it was nearly 33%”
And i’m sure ‘Eastern Mediterranean’ country have as good record keeping as Germany. And of course there isn’t any police corruption or anything there.
You’re doing it again Draculina, flippantly dismissing evidence you don’t agree with, while ludicrously claiming “rape” is the “norm” in the Middle East without any evidence at all. You could argue with yourself in an empty phone box.
Please quote where I claimed anything like that.
But I believe it is more common in middle eastern countries, which your own evidence supports. Lol.
13 January, 2017 at 4:52 pm #1019679I’ll get back to you on this though, I have to go and start preparing stuff for dinner.
13 January, 2017 at 5:41 pm #1019682People comming from a country where rape is socially accepted are much more likely to be rapists than other people are though, surely you can’t deny this.
A typical Anti-Muslim soundbite and right wing propaganda, fake news. Utterly bereft of fact.
13 January, 2017 at 5:57 pm #1019684Did you actually read the article, or just single that last coment I made,out?
Like I said….the muslim thing aside….I was talking about that specific comment yes I singled it out….you cant say that comment is in the context of your link because those people aren’t the only ones from the third world. It includes lots more Asians…including my family You obviously think people like me cant integrate into the Western world…please elaborate how I encroach on your life in a negative way and where shall I fukc off too?
That is NOT what I said is it? I said THOSE people…the ones currently there…the ones Merkel invited. The ones that are claiming ‘refuge’ in the west, yet clearly by their actions, have NO intention of integrating into society. They are no more fleeing war and terror than I am! And even IF they are.. dont you think they should at least pretend to be grateful to their hosts? Again….did you read the article?
13 January, 2017 at 6:16 pm #1019688draculina wrote: People comming from a country where rape is socially accepted are much more likely to be rapists than other people are though, surely you can’t deny this. A typical Anti-Muslim soundbite and right wing propaganda, fake news. Utterly bereft of fact.
Hmm, I can see why you interpreted what I said that way, it was poorly worded. I didn’t mean that it is universaly accepted by everyone, because it isn’t. And it is illegal in most of those countries (unless you are married), but rape is more common there, and there are groups in their populations who would be accepting of it.
But I have to say this:
A typical Anti-Muslim soundbite and right wing propaganda, fake news.
Sounds like a typical echo chamber soundbite and progressive propaganda to me .
13 January, 2017 at 8:48 pm #1019714They’re wrong, of course, on all fronts. But the invention of the term and the sudden currency it has gained in the mainstream Western media tells a darker tale of how xenophobic right-wing groups in Europe have cynically used reports of sexual violence against women to further a deeply racist, anti-refugee agenda.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-shams/sexism-isnt-an-arab-cultural-practice_b_9022056.html%5B/quote%5D It’s not a common practice i’ll admit, but it does happen. If you tried to arrange something like this with your group of friends, i’m sure they would say no, and probably report you to the police. That’s the problem with it. But claiming Arabic cultures aren’t sexist is pretty funny. Iran was okay for that in the 80’s from what I understand, but it has regressed pretty far back by now.
Excuse my ignorance, but didn’t it all kick off with Khomeini in 1979?
14 January, 2017 at 10:26 am #1019728Did you actually read the article, or just single that last coment I made,out? like it or not its a fact, and it isnt just in Germnay either…its Sweden, Norway, France, (where there are now go areas for women, because the muslim men dont like unacompianed women) This is europe, not Saudi! As it states in the article, they have NO intention of integrating at all. They want everything their own way, and whine like babies when they dont get it. It might be an unpopular statement, but nevertheless it the truth….inviting the 3rd world into the west as Merkel has done is insanity. Look at Italy and Greece, where hoards of Africans arrive daily. They riot in the refugee centres, complaining about lack of internet and the food. ermmmm, arenr these people fleeing war and terror? Wouldnt you think they would be at least a bit grateful to their host country?
Wether I read the article or not is irrelevant…….I said “the Muslim thing aside” because you used the third world in your post as some sort of animals unable to integrate into your society…
there are mnay more countries…people..religions from the third world
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