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  • #1060111

    Read 1st post, cant be arsed with the rest, its all bickering and name calling. CPS sees racism as colour creed culture or religion, i digress……… Did an accident happen? from the OP it said not it said “could” so……. nothing happened, no one was hurt, everyone went home safely. END

    Again more rubbish.. define a ” culture”. By that logic if I invent a religion tomorrow which involves dancing around the living room with my pants around my head as it panders to some kind of supreme deity who are you to tell me it isn’t a religion if I claim it is part of my family ” culture”. Therefore applying your erroneous nonsense, if you criticised me for turning up to work with pants on my head as part of religion you would therefore be” racist” lol. I haven’t a clue what “from the Op is said not it said “could” means but maybe try reading the thread and responding properly in a literate fashion would help your cause.  “END”

    #1060114

    If someone is not doing their job properly and diligently then the employer needs to address that…no matter what colour/creed/religion/flavour!…..of course we know employers turn blind eyes…that’s because the employer is human and knows we all have lapses…. HOWEVER it does depend on the type of job and the risks involved…..mistakes for whatever reason in this type of job could have catastrophic consequences……I had never heard of this kind of thing before…never thought about it…I knew muslims fasted but thought they could drink water….. seems to me the issue was Rose’s son didn’t want to report the situation as it would’ve kicked off and he would’ve been branded a racist for singling out the muslims not doing their job properly …..im pretty sure the muslim workers would have found situations of non muslims not doing their jobs properly at some point or another maybe due to hangovers or barneys with her indoors.. There is no way the muslim worker would have thought he was not doing his job properly therefore it would have caused problems bringing it up

    I agree with much of this apart from the last paragraph. If a muslim worker was lacking nutrition he would know he is not in a fit state to be doing his job. Incidentally if a British “christian” worker turned up hungover and it was impacting his job- most companies would sack him with no outcry yet because this guy is muslim allowing his religion to put lives at risk it’s suddenly racism .. it’s wrong on every level and time people stopped banging the racist drum which creates many of the problems we have today.

    #1060128

    It’s not the 15th century anymore, we don’t need blasphemy laws.

    Your god doesn’t exist. If that offends you then that isn’t racist, just a problem with you.

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    #1060132

    What I meant was if this sitauationof not doing their job properly was put to the Muslim I’m sure he would disagree and say he is doing his job properly….they could argue loads fast and carry on their daily lives/jobs  as normal for years and years without fasting impacting negatively on their or anyone else’s lives

    there are exemptions to fasting….young females…pregnant women…women menstrauting….doesn’t seem to be male exemptions…unless they are elderly or infirm I guess

    so an outsider stepping in judging them during a period of them giving up selfishness and whatever will never be accepted….it would not make any sense to a Muslim

     

    #1060133

    Ge

    How do I support my employees during Ramadan?

    Ramadan is the ninth month of the Islamic year and it is observed for one lunar month. This year it will be from 9 July to 8 August. As part of their observance of Ramadan, people of Muslim faith often fast from sunrise until sunset during this period. We take a look at issues employers may need to deal with.

    Q. A few of my employees have asked for time off over Ramadan – are they automatically entitled to this?

    A. Employees will be entitled to annual leave in the usual way, and will have to comply with your procedures in terms of making the request in reasonable time ahead of the planned leave. You will need to comply with your usual procedures in terms of sanctioning it where it can be accommodated. If, for some reason you cannot accommodate the request, for example if a number of other employees have already been granted leave for the same time, or there is a particular business need for their attendance at that time, you will need to explain to the employee why you are turning down their request. As set out below, it would be unlawful to refuse the request just because it was for Ramadan, and this would give rise to a claim of discrimination.

    Given the summer months are always popular for employees to take annual leave, it would be prudent to remind employees at the start of the year to submit their annual leave requests as early as possible, so as to avoid disappointment by leaving it until later when their request cannot be accommodated.

    Q. I have been told by one of my employees that he is intending to fast for the whole month, and not eat during the working day. I am worried about his productivity – what can I do?

    A. It is common for employees observing Ramadan to fast between sunset and sunrise, which can sometimes have an effect on their energy levels. If you are aware that an employee is planning to fast for this period, we advise meeting with the employee in advance to discuss what measures both parties can take in order to minimise any disruption to their performance and to the wider business arising from their fast. Examples of measures you can take are:

    • Consider altering their shifts so that they start earlier and finish earlier

    • Consider moving any important meetings or events to the earlier part of the day

    • Encourage the employee to take regular short breaks, perhaps including a short walk outside if they feel lacking in energy.

    The key to ensuring the employee’s observance can be accommodated and the business is unaffected is good communication with the employee, so that any concerns from either party can be discussed openly and agreement can be reached.

    Q. My employee is a fork-lift driver – is there anything different I should do?

    A. If the employee is carrying out a manual job where a lack of concentration could have health and safety implications, then more caution is required. Once you have discussed with the employee their plans, conduct a short risk assessment to see if there are any risks to the current plan proposed by the employee. Report back to the employee if there are any concerns, and discuss with the employee possible solutions such as those set out above. Alternatively, you could discuss with the employee that he may wish to take annual leave, or unpaid leave, for the period or for part of the day. However, remember that you cannot force an employee to take unpaid leave if they do not wish to do so.

    Q. One of my employees has asked for different shifts over Ramadan – do I have to say yes?

    A. This is a question of balancing the needs of the business and trying to accommodate the employee’s request as far as possible. As set out above, altering shifts may be in the business’ interests if the employee is planning to fast and their energy levels may be affected. Have a meeting with the employee to understand their reasons for the request, consider the request genuinely and try and identify ways in which it may be accommodated. You then should then report back to the employee within a reasonable time to discuss your response.

    If you refuse the request, there must be clear and identifiable business reasons as to why it cannot be accommodated. Before refusing the request, consider alternatives, such as allowing alternate shifts for part of the working week, or even varying the shift by only a short period, such as allowing the employee to start an hour earlier, and not to take a lunch break, and therefore finish earlier.

    Q. If I say no to the employee’s requests in connection with Ramadan, will I face a claim of discrimination?

    A. It is unlawful to treat an employee less favourably because of their religion or belief. It is also unlawful to apply a practice which would put workers of a particular religion or belief at a disadvantage.

    A business can refuse an employee’s requests in connection with observing Ramadan but only if there are clear and identifiable business reasons for doing so, that are not because of the employee’s Muslim faith. In order to successfully defend any claim of religion or belief discrimination the employer would need to show that they had given genuine consideration to the employee’s request and made legitimate attempts to accommodate them where the business allowed. It is therefore a good idea to keep written records of any such requests and discussions with the employee, together with the outcome of such discussions.

    :yes:

    #1060134

    Ge

    Employment Law btw. You can’t just randomly sack people.

    http://employment.law-ondemand.com/how-do-i-support-my-employees-during-ramadan/

     

    :good:

     

     

    #1060135

    What I meant was if this sitauationof not doing their job properly was put to the Muslim I’m sure he would disagree and say he is doing his job properly….they could argue loads fast and carry on their daily lives/jobs as normal for years and years without fasting impacting negatively on their or anyone else’s lives

    I’m sure that a paedophile who works in a primary school would say they are doing their job properly too. They could argue that being attracted to children for years and years doesn’t impact negatively on anone else’s lives.

    But that doesn’t mean they should be doing that job. They are blind to the danger they pose to other people. The same is true of Muslims who fast during ramadan.

    #1060136

    Employment Law btw.

    Just because it’s the law, doesn’t mean it’s right. People should not be allowed special treatment because of their religion. Although I don’t think what you linked to supports what you were trying to say.

    I will summerise the guide as I read it:
    Q. A few of my employees have asked for time off over Ramadan – are they automatically entitled to this?
    A. No.

    Q. I have been told by one of my employees that he is intending to fast for the whole month, and not eat during the working day. I am worried about his productivity – what can I do?
    A. No special legal protection is provided to people who are fasting.

    Q. My employee is a fork-lift driver – is there anything different I should do?
    A. Employee must pass risk assesment or face any punishment assicated with failing such an assesement.

    Q. One of my employees has asked for different shifts over Ramadan – do I have to say yes?
    A. No

    Q. If I say no to the employee’s requests in connection with Ramadan, will I face a claim of discrimination?
    A. A claim may be made, but it will be rejected if the claim is that discrimination is because of a religion, not any specific action taken by the employee (I.e fasting).

    You can’t just randomly sack people.

    Endangering people’s lives isn’t random.

    #1060137

    Ge

    Employment Law btw. You can’t just randomly sack people.

    Endangering people’s lives isn’t random.

    Did you make unqualified statements like this Dr Drac during your Ph.D thesis. How on earth did you pass?

     

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    #1060140

    What Ges war and length health and safety mantra is designed to accomplish I’ve no idea but if the law states a person can’t be sacked for endangering lives maybe the ” law” needs to be  changed.

    Laws are transient , less than 100 years ago which is a blinking of an eye in human evolutionary terms, the ” law” stated black people had to sit in a different area of a bus as they were inferior to whites. No doubt the Ge of the 1950s would be quoting the same legislation out with a silly smiley face proving he is correct, but all it would illustrate is like the flammable material used in tower blocks.. laws need to be continually assessed and altered as we evolve as a species , not to be nodding dogs or sheep following them blindly. No individual should be in charge of high risk machinery which could kill if they are fasting for whatever reason.. what the law says or doesn’t say to pander to liberals is irrelevant and overriden by basic common sense which is lacking in many sadly.

    In any case Ge has lost his own argument with the following contained in the passage  “If you refuse the request, there must be clear and identifiable business reasons as to why it cannot be accommodated.” I’d say killing someone with a high rise crane would fit into that category but Ge would probably be screaming racism if the muslim driver was sleeping like a log as it rolled down the street wiping out everything in its path

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