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18 February, 2010 at 12:38 am #432238
I only came on this thread to have a gander.
18 February, 2010 at 6:34 am #432239My insurance policy pays out as long as i dont commit suicide in the first year of having it ………..i read this post yesterday and have seen the news footage and it set me thinking , i could kill in selfdefence and anger yet i really dont think i could end someones life who i loved…….im not sure if that makes me weird or selfish i mean ive seen loved ones suffer and ive seen death, thankfully ive never been asked to do such a thing but the issue has made me wonder if i was asked could i and would i ?………i really dont know
18 February, 2010 at 7:49 am #432240@peggy wrote:
My insurance policy pays out as long as i dont commit suicide in the first year of having it ………..i read this post yesterday and have seen the news footage and it set me thinking , i could kill in selfdefence and anger yet i really dont think i could end someones life who i loved…….im not sure if that makes me weird or selfish i mean ive seen loved ones suffer and ive seen death, thankfully ive never been asked to do such a thing but the issue has made me wonder if i was asked could i and would i ?………i really dont know
Eeek! Peggy killing in anger :shock:
18 February, 2010 at 9:21 am #432241didnt you know im the hulk when i get angry :lol:
18 February, 2010 at 9:43 am #432242*Makes note to self..never ever make Peggy angry 8)
18 February, 2010 at 10:20 am #432243@peggy wrote:
ive seen loved ones suffer and ive seen death, thankfully ive never been asked to do such a thing but the issue has made me wonder if i was asked could i and would i ?………i really dont know
I think I’ve posted this before but I was asked many years ago by a loved one to help them when they couldn’t do it themselves… it’s a horrible position to be in, watching someone you love dying and suffering tremendous pain that all the pain relief in the world can’t seem to touch, knowing they want to be released from it all but not being able to do it because of the consequences, knowing that if this person was an animal you’d be taken to court for causing unnecessary suffering… but they’re human, so you can’t. I had to say no, he understood why, and we held each other in floods of tears. It took another 3 months and more pain than any one person should have to endure before he finally was released from this life.
I was a lot younger then, I didn’t have the life experience and couldn’t do it – if a loved one was suffering to that extent now and asked me, I think I would help, but I hope to never be put in that position.
18 February, 2010 at 11:16 am #432244I remain confused about ‘human euthanasia’. The more I read about it the more I’m drawn to the conclusion that people with ‘terminal’ illnesses don’t want to be prematurely killed. What they actually want is some sort of release from the pain or suffering involved in the illness.
It seems to me that the issue is more about managing the end phase of a terminal illness than about being ‘murdered’.
18 February, 2010 at 11:22 am #432245@forumhostpb wrote:
I remain confused about ‘human euthanasia’. The more I read about it the more I’m drawn to the conclusion that people with ‘terminal’ illnesses don’t want to be prematurely killed. What they actually want is some sort of release from the pain or suffering involved in the illness.
It seems to me that the issue is more about managing the end phase of a terminal illness than about being ‘murdered’.
Agreed…if their pain and suffering could be relieved they’d make the most of every extra minute given to them, but that isn’t always possible. Then the only release is death, however it comes around.
Jeez am I actually agreeing with PB? :shock:
18 February, 2010 at 1:43 pm #432246In many hospitals and hospices across the country a form of legal euthanasia takes place. Syringe drivers are inserted into the terminally ill and a cocktail of morphine and sedative drugs are given to the patient… it is known as terminal sedation which in fact speeds up the death of the person – all be it making it less painful and more peaceful. They did this to 3 members of my family and in one sense I am grateful to them for making their deaths peaceful, but at the same time, when they did it to my dad he fought tooth and nail against the drugs they were giving him… at one point the nurse commented that he had had enough to traquilise an elephant yet he was still waking and trying to get out of bed… their response was to up his doses.. and call what he was experiencing terminal agitation, however knowing my dad, I often wonder with hindsight if he fought because he wasn’t ready to go and it doesn’t sit comfortabley with me to be honest. I have no clear view of this whole practise, I have read articles on it to try and gain clarity but I still can’t decide about whether it is just legal euthanasia or whether they are genuinely just putting people out of pain.
18 February, 2010 at 10:07 pm #432247A friend’s mother died two years ago. She was very elderly but had been incredibly spritely and well until she contracted pneumonia and then c. difficile. When she was admitted to hospital, the family were asked if they wanted her to be resuscitated should she pass away. They were horrified and insisted that of course they wanted her resuscitated.
At the time I was shocked……actually, I am still shocked. I thought that the medical profession were honour bound to try and save people’s lives, to resuscitate and to treat. But it seems that there is a kind of hidden protocol to allow people to die if they are elderly. It is a face of the NHS i do not like. The fact that they ask relatives to make the decision as soon as their elderly relative is admitted i don’t like either.
Withholding medication and not resuscitating seems to be accepted, but actively helping people out of this world is not. I understand the difference, but ethically the lines between the two things are very very blurred in my opinion.
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