Motivations of the 'Million Women March'

The feminist movement and Islamist movements are really similar because of similar ways of looking at things and the general pessimistic way that encourages looking at holes and past hurt. What they have in common in the States is that they both feel falsely hated by the newly elected President and for some reason want to show how similar they are. I feel like optimists get along exceptionally well with optimists but pessimists have a hard time feeling united with other pessimists to put it super simplistically and generalistically.  Those groups also get more mad and upset than optimistic people, so its nice when there’s optimistic relay voices, as well so people don’t feel trolled or pissed off instead of calm and going back to their fun and morally good personal progress. 

SHR. wrote:

rudeboy wrote:

SHR who wants to visit me at home describing those that don’t agree with the teachings of Islam

Hold on, you threatened me tough guy, not vice versa. alongside your racist tripe. I called your bluff, you silly silly silly little boy. You reap what you sow and you will.

I’m still waiting .. looks like you bottled it   

sceptical guy wrote:

draculina wrote:

This thread is very off topic now, I wanted to talk about the alliance between elements of the femminist movement and islamists.

I my opinion, te only way to conduct any serious thread is to totally ignore the troll.. Make your point, Drac. I’m not sure it#’s a good or even a very interesting pointy. Everybody knows that many feminists are open to working with muslim women. But make your point and if it’s worth answering then it will be answered. The troll on this thread will destroy any serious discussion by throwing around crap and personal accusations. Ignore. Don’t feed,. it goes nowhere. It’s going to be encouraged and make more accusations if you feed it. So don’t feed the troll. Ignore his posts and address the serious posters. As for calling me a sexpest harssing drac into becoming my friend and SHR a virtual pedo – treat the commenst with the respect the little shyte deserves. people believe what they want to believe. I’m not getting involved in the game of no I didn’t, yes you did, followed by new lies and accusations. Ignore the troll. Don’t feed it.

You say ignore the troll and I agree , you are better off ignored Mr sex Pest. Drac makes some very good points destroying most of the gibberish you write with counter arguments… you are fairly inarticulate with a lack of decent comprehension or perspective relating to anything aren’t you really. All you seem able to type is continually calling Trump “chump” and your cowardly friend typing silly all day and night… a match made in heaven, maybe some flowers are in order to consummate proceedings ?

To clarify, I do not believe there are any parts of Sharia that are compatible with either our culture or legal systems.

Well who asked you to apply the Sharia law in your country ? You’ve your own law, we have ours, and the important is to respect each other’s cultures, very simple, No? and excuse me to tell you that, but you talk about the Sharia law as you have spent your life studying it, when all you know about it is related to Zina, women’s “oppression”, and other points that are commonly used by people who attack Islam, which does not shock me by the way. Sharia is a law that encloses all life’s area (financial exchanges (money management and loan’s conditions…), heritage sharing, punishment and rewards, personal behavior towards Muslims and no Muslims, law of war, marriage and divorce, the basics to worship God etc…), making Islam a life style not only a religion. Sharia’s purpose is to conserve religion, consciousness (brain), lives, progeny, and the money.

Another thing I want to tell you is that I was raised knowing that I have my religion and you’ve yours, and that none can be forced to believe on what I believe or vice versa, because this is what I learned from the Quran (translation): “Say [Prophet], “Disbelievers: I do not worship what you worship, you do not worship what I worship, I will never worship what you worship, you will never worship what I worship: you have your religion and I have mine.” (109:1-6), “There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path” [al-Baqrah 2:256], you have your will and I have mine, all I can do is to respect you as human being Who was created by the same God Who created me, and we can coexist and accept our mutual presence without killing or disrespecting each other, because surely God has created us different, and we can’t change that, that’s all.

I have taken the following laws from here, because it was the first neutral source I found that gave a concise descriptions. There are more laws with Sharia but I will only address the ones included on that page for now.

When you take Wikipedia as a reference, which is known as a popularization website, then I have to advise you to search more in scientific references, written and published by people who really studied Sharia from all its area , whether they are Muslims or not. But anyways I will answer your following points:

Dictating which consenting adults are allowed to marry should not be part of the legal system.

Well if you understand the core of Islam, you’ll understand why we’ve been asked to marry only Muslims (or woman from Ahl al kitab), and by the way this is not something exclusive to Islam, but in all other monotheistic religions (Islam, Christianity and Judaism). The concept of family is very important in Islam, so if both parts of the marriage have the same faith and the same principles, it would be more efficient to put the family together and have a strong bind between them, which will prevent their children to be divided between two faiths that can be extremely opposite to each, and you can imagine what kind of person you’ll give to the society in this case.

Marriage should not be arranged, or permited for ‘minors’.

In general, the forced marriage is not allowed in Islam without the contentment of both parts, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “A previously-married woman has more right concerning herself than her guardian, and the permission of a virgin should be sought (regarding marriage), and her permission is her silence.” Narrated by Muslim, 1421.

This is a rare case where women are given special protections under Islam, but I don’t think it is fair that anyone is required to pay money based on their gender.

Well as Muslim woman I can assure you that there are a lot of cases when Muslim women are protected by Islam, whether concerning my rights as a woman, a mother, and human being.

In general man in Islam is responsible to spend and provide his family with all what they want, even if the woman works or is rich, he has no right to take her money or ask her to help him, unless she wants to.

I don’t have a problem with polygamy, but multiple husbands should also be allowed.

Well I won’t give you a course on biology and tell you that if this was allowed, in case of pregnancy the child won’t know who the father is (unless they take a DNA test which is a consumption of money and time and even the child’s psychology), which is unfair for him, taking into account that in some countries the DNA tests are not accepted, or not available.

Zina (Sex outside of marriage) and alcohol should be legal.

As I told you before family and its strong binding is important in Islam, so marriage is the only way to assure that (which is known in all societies not only in Islam). And in the case of Zina, the only victim will be the woman and the child produced from that act, because in most cases men don’t want to take their responsibility towards their children and their women (you have just to open your eyes and look at the situation in the societies whom made that act legal, and the amount of people who are searching for their fathers and suffering from that).

As for alcohol, God has made Humans special by giving us a brain and a will, consuming alcohol and drugs takes this from us because of its bad effects on brain, and you can see how much rapes and crimes were made by people who were under drugs or alcohol.

This means that DNA or CCTV evidence cannot be used to convict someone of theft if there are less than four whitnesses.

I can agree with that, since some scholars have mentioned that, and evidences are accepted as a proof for robbery and such crimes.

Murder should be a legal dispute, not a civil one.

The application of Sharia law has to be made by special persons, who are legally assigned for that purpose. As far as I know civil dispute is a part of legal dispute. And in all Muslim countries Murder is considered as a criminal case.

Removal of body parts is not an acceptable punishment for anything, and wastes medical resouces that could be used to treat other people.

Well this is to make that thief as an example for the others, and to prevent other robberies to take place, which may put people’s life in danger (in my country they don’t apply this, thieves are put in jail)

I have already conversed unmarried sex, but lashing is also not a punishment that is acceptable. This would also outlaw homosexuality, which is wrong.

I gave you my answer before.

Not believing in Allah should not be illegal.

What do you say about the Great betrayal? Has it to be illegal or not? Because apostasy is considered as a Great betrayal not only in islam but in the other monotheistic religions too, and again there are lot of conditions which has to be fulfilled before declaring a person as an apostate, and a danger for Muslims’ security.

Religious festivals should not be legally enforced.

They are not legally enforced!!! These are Muslims’ festivals, (just like Christmas Eve or any other festival for the other religions) moments of joy, how can they be enforced? Unless you’re talking about your country (which I presume have a secular law), then I would tell you that Muslim are part of it, just like you and the other people, so if they ask for a vacation for that day then they have the right to, of course like the other population who ask for theirs.

There is no reason to ban the consumption of pork or alcohol. Drugs are also illegal, but I don’t think some of them should be.

I gave you the answer before, as for Pork, just like in Judaism, so why is it “odd” in islam?

Cutting the throat of an animal is not the most humane way to kill it. The other parts are already included in food safety regulations.

Using and electroshock or strangling it isn’t as well, and they make the animal suffer more than in the case of cutting the throat in the good way.

As a conclusion I would tell you that you have to look read more about the Sharia law, if you are interested of course. In most Muslim countries the Sharia law is applied, but the Hudoud are not. For the Saudi Arabia, they apply the Sharia law, but they mixe it with the traditions, especially when it concerns woman (example: driving cars by women is not forbidden in Islam and there is no Hadith or Surat in the Quran that prohibit that).

In morocco we have more liberal laws, which are made taking into account of the religious laws, and none is forced to what he doesn’t want to do. As far as I know we were living with Jews and there wasn’t any problem with that, and there was even some Muslim (Jews) women who breastfeed children of Jews (Muslim).

Sorry if my English is bad, It’s my third language.

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