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17 August, 2007 at 10:19 am #282169
@cas wrote:
@ubermik wrote:
Token
Making it such a high profile case will have sealed her death warrant HAD she merely been kidnapped because whoever had her would have realised it was far too risky to try to keep her or release her
So if she HAD been alive the media circus the Mcanns were basking in would have guaranteed she wouldnt be found alive, whereas a low key police investigation at least had the chance of her abductors being traced through any forensics that might have been found
But you keep wittering on about the other two poor ickle mites, but heres the thing, they are in a foriegn country, away from their family and friends so how is THAT letting them get on with their life? How is THAT in their best interest?
The local police are pissed off with the Mcanns, the local people are pissed off wth the Mcanns and they are STILL there parading for cameras in a country where they WOULD be in jail for leaving their kids alone
And while they have been there they have on many occassions left the remaining two kids with other people to go off on their pointless galivanting, how is THAT “best” for the kids they havent killed yet?
I personally think the only “interests” they are concerned with is their own, not maddys, not the other two kids, just theirs
They are getting to have a MASSIVELY extended holiday, do what they THINK makes them look like doting parents even tho most of their actions, behaviour and body language screams the opposite with the added benefits of them getting to enjoy their extended 15 minutes of fame as well as not having to face the criticism of their friends, families and colleagues for causing this whole incident in the firstplace by their shoddy selfish parenting to begin with
My personal view after seeing their interviews is I reckon the pair of them are fully or near sociapathic with the entitled arrogant detachment from pretty much anyone and anything that accompanies that “condition” and I for one wouldnt bat an eyelid if they had either been arrested by the local authorities and jailed for leaving their kids as I think we should have a similar law here, and I think if the local authorities had deported them from the country it would have been far better for the two kids they havent killed YET
Obviously I can see the “appeal” to two adults of staying in a sun soaked country and holiday resort over returning to the UK and having to work, but that has nothing at all in connection with the best interests of the remaining kids whatsoever
Well said Uber =D>
Seeing as your the one who thinks that anyone who speaks out against the McCanns is wrong Token,,,,,,and that those other two children should be allowed to get on with their lives, live as normal a life as possible, maybe you’d like to pick up there on one or two points that Uber made. Because whether you like it or not,,,,,,the only people denying them that, really are their parents.
excellent points you two.
18 August, 2007 at 12:05 am #282170So what do the mcanns do?
go home and forget about it?
serious question here, you dont like them publicising it so what now?
go home and wait?
18 August, 2007 at 12:10 am #282171I think this thread could go on forever :roll: . There are no right or wrong opinions. We have all said our piece and I think we should call it a day on this one.
But then again, Im not a host so what the hell do I know!! :shock:
None of us have done anything wrong other than ram our opinions down each others throats , so lets hope that whereever maddie is (she is the main focus of course) she is happy and pain free, Be it in “heaven” or being looked after by another.
She is who we should be thinking about. God bless her soul whereever she is.
18 August, 2007 at 12:33 am #282172@token_male wrote:
So what do the mcanns do?
go home and forget about it?
serious question here, you dont like them publicising it so what now?
go home and wait?
IMO they should leave it to the police and stop hampering the investigation
They should take the two remaining kids back to the best degree of normality they can in their own home with their own rooms and possessions, let them be around friends and family and let them try to start living a normal life again BUT with parents that WILL be there for them this time and who will be putting them first and foremost above their social life and personal gains
Nothing more than all three kids SHOULD have been having to begin with really and which had they had it would mean there would most probably still be three of them
Whether they are capable of being conscientious parents nobody knows, but they should IMO at least be trying to be rather than (again IMO) trying to offset guilt by overplaying the “upset parents” not only to ridiculous excess and to the detriment of the two kids they HAVENT lost YET, but also in a rather unconvincing manner anyway so I reckon its time to pack up the showboating ficticious charade and concentrate on actually giving their remaining kids as normal as is possible under the circumstances childhood and grounding of familiarity and stability
18 August, 2007 at 12:44 am #282173Knew I could rely on you Uber.
Cue token…………
:roll:
ffs none of you are wrong or right but you both think you are!!!!
Write pages n pages u aint gonna bring her back!
Let it lie.
And lets debate on ANOTHER thread when the criminal charges are brought……….
End of please!!!!!!!
18 August, 2007 at 7:29 am #282174Sharon, I can to an extent understand your disdain with a topic like this being meticulously discussed however I also think that people feeling that way about topics like this, paedophillia, rape, DV and countless other “uncomfortable” topics as well as “tedious” ones like childrens disciplines, infidelity and scores of others is part of the reason they are becoming so common place to be honest
A “society” is built on a fabric and framework of fairly standard(ish) ideals and morals which WERE in bygone days learnt without being taught by exposure to extended families and large socially active circles for the most part, where every maturing child would for most of their life be exposed to a mostly working relationship with their parents and others around them, would see childrearing in very finite detail from many members of their own family and other families, would pick up morality, integrity, honour, decency and countless other things by accidental osmosis purely from constant exposure to vast networks of relatively stable family units
Nowadays relationships are treated like video recorders and are thrown away at the merest hint of a problem in many cases, child rearing is often done as and when work socialising and countless other “needs” are met, or is fitted in around other things rather than being a clear and total priority, families are less contiguous and are spread around the country often just assembling for marriages, birthdays and deaths, and social networks are less intrusive and are far less numerous and involved on average
So whereas before the situation WOULD have been rife for indepth discussion on such “icky” topics it wasnt as needed, but also was rarer because of the ick factor, nowadays however I think such topics HAVE to be kicked wide open, meticulously discussed as often and as unemotively as possible as frequently as possible as this not only is the only way people can ever hope to form views based on much wider collections of views and opinions than most will ever socially encounter on a daily basis but it is also becoming one of the last bastions of knowledge and experience exchange as the more traditional methods of passing on viewpoints and social morality are being decimated by modern “mcfamily life”
Not being funny here but as with any tv show, film or anything really that someone doesnt like you dont HAVE to read it, I am sure there are other boards and other threads on here you also avoid like the plague if you dont like football, fishing, deluded people talking about ficticious versions of reality if a relationship breaks down and countless other topics but I bet whilst you dont read them because you dont like them you dont also try to persuade the contributors to not contribute to them because of your lack of interest in the topic, you simply dont bother reading it
And you are right, it wont bring her back, but enough public outcry at her parents behaviour WILL to varying extents hit home with people who MIGHT had this not happened have thought it was equally ok to do the same thing with their kids possibly ending the same way, something that should have been learnt was a complete no-no from more traditional methods I outlined earlier, in lieu of that public discussion and voiced disdain over such shoddy parenting without the touchy feely nonsense silencing such views might, just might prevent someone else reading a thread or hearing a heated arguement from doing the same thing and may make many people realise that crappy selfish parenting WONT as is expected by left wing molly coddling do gooders generate “poor you” sympathy but WILL cause blunt, direct and honest criticism
Whereas avoiding such topics because of their ick factor on the other hand merely perpetuates the likely hood of more and more parents thinking such behaviour is “ok” and if things go wrong they will just get sympathy WHICH our society has created droves of people who are addictied to by nature of our social lack of personal responsibility for our actions and decisions
That, IMO HAS to stop before this country sinks further into the gutter
Now I am not claiming threads such as this are a miracle cure, nothing of the sort. Merely a very small part of a very big change that is needed, but nonetheless IS one tiny positive contribution to an ever increasing social vaccuum of personal responsibility, accountability, integrity, decency, consideration, values, good parenting, solid relationships and countless other things rapidly becoming the stuff of the “good old days”
Nothing changes if nobody changes it
18 August, 2007 at 9:16 am #282175Was simply putting my point Uber. Same as you, but shorter. :wink:
18 August, 2007 at 9:32 am #282176But wasnt your point that YOU dont want to read it?
That point could be more easily applied by not doing so, whereas suggesting other people dont post on it steps outside the criteria for merely expressing a personal view as it seeks to influence other peoples views and actions
Theres a subtle but very distinct difference between asking people if they think the topic SHOULD be discussed and stating that YOU think it shouldnt be any longer
As for “but I was only stating my view” and? You posted the view on a discussion so obviously it will get responses and counter views as that is the nature of “duscussion” so to then get all defensive about those responses is a subtle way of saying “MY posts on the matter should just be accepted and not responded to” if you think about it which again brings me back to the point that IF you didnt want response to your view then rather than excercising it by posting that you dont want to read about a topic anymore surely just not actually reading it anymore is a better path to take?
You didnt actually answer my earlier question, when theres a thread you ALSO dont want to read like one about stamp collecting, football, gaul stone operations or any topic you dont enjoy reading about or joining in discussions with do you also on those threads post that you dont want to read about it and that other people therefore shouldnt post on them anymore? Or as I suspect do you just exercise your preference and not bother reading them?
If the two responses are different why are they different? Because in reality this is no different to any other topic that you dont want to read but others still want to indulge in
Now obviously this is just me, but when I discover similar hypocrisies and double standards that I hadnt realised I did myself I tend to ponder why I do it, what makes me react differently to similar situations and where needed try to correct the lack of integrity and consistency but in all cases its an interesting voyage of self discovery
18 August, 2007 at 12:39 pm #282177I understand the voyage :wink:
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