Manchester Arena Attack: Political Discussion

draculina wrote:

AngelBabe wrote:

But can i also ask please remember when you’re slinging your racist or religious remarks about that many taxi drivers offering free rides home last night were Muslim, a number of doctors rushing to hospitals on there days off and working through the night to help keep people alive will be Muslim, the police officers desperately trying to reunite families and apprehend these psychopaths this morning will be Muslim.

You are the only person to have mentioned race, maybe you should think about why you have done so.

AngelBabe wrote:

These people who carried out this devastating attack are not Muslims, they are ISIS a terrorist cult

ISIS follows the Wahabi interpretation of islam, the same as Saudi Arabia. Are you claiming that Saudis are also not muslim?

yes i  mentioned it because other have just implied it

im not claiming anything other than some respect for those who lost there life or whose life will never be the same again

Drac,

with all due respect,

that is not the same as 50% of Muslims support the radicals.

That’s a reference to Islamic students, and it’s not a question about ISIS or radical terrorism.

Islam is a warrior religion in some ways, though not in itself a brutal one. It’s not a religion I find attractive.

But ISIS and the killings at Manchester are something else.

There are certainly supporters of the slaughter in Manchester. Quite a few radical Muslims have been using tweet and other social media networks to celebrate the horror bombing, but they did that when attacks happened in France too.

That just shows that ISIS has its sympathisers in Europe. We know that already. That’s why attacks are taking place, and why we need to be vigilant. 850 of them went to Syria to fight for ISIS, and many others have been stopped from going. The police have been stopping a lot of terror plots. These people are not a figment of an over-fevered imagination.

But that’s not to say that most Muslims support them. They don’t. Look at Angelbabe’s post, and look at my answer to the accusations of both yourself and rude boy with reference to the Koran.

There is a serious, dangerous problem. It’s caused horrible heartbreak in manchester, and could well do so elsewhere soon.

But the problem isn’t Islam. It’s ISIS-style terror.

You can interpret the verse I quoted as you see fit Sceptical, the reality is hundreds of thousands of muslim Jihads , “extremists” and people living in the UK interpret it as I have suggested otherwise the vast majority of terrorist attacks wouldn’t be carried out by people purporting to be connected to muslim. If we accept on the balance of probability there is no ” allah ” then what we are dealing with is a mythological cult where some interpret it as go and kill and others haven;t a clue . Either way it’s fundamentally dangerous and should be condemned.. you can’t just ignore it and hope it goes away. The terrorist attacks are clearly down to different interpretations of this cult, so why do we not see more muslim leaders condemning it and mosques? We get the odd soundbyte but it is largely unspoken about with a few silly people using hash tags on social media “praying for Manchester”.

You mention the verse on women is irrelevant, I;d say it’s highly relevant in illustrating what we are dealing with here..a dark age practice of subjugating  women as being owned by husbands with numerous wives feeling they can take whatever they like from a gender put on this earth to serve them. A 2011 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre looked at the 2,379  offenders caught grooming girls since 2008. Of 940 suspects whose race could be identified, 26% were Asian, 38% were white and 32% were recorded as unknown. Asians are roughly 7% of the population…. why is that then?

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Everything is open to a degree of judgement, I find it hard to swallow the politics on this event. If you want a politically infused angle,   in the UK (b4 Drac pipes up, your nukehaven France  has been done) we have an election which ALL parties will cover until this blows over.  Trump has made a vague attempt to not bully the Vatican and will be more than likely sacked before Im 40 - Im a Libra.

The US media had the facts before the UK police could do their work – I expect the US have more intelligence than us.             I`m really confused about all this,  tough shit there was an attack – but the speed the U.S reacted based on gingertubby being evicted soon is more of a cause for convern than the carnage in a kids party. Yes I feel sorry for them,  the bigger picture is the laws/reform and trends this will UNSET.