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There is no solution or resolution as no one really knows or can provide proof either way absolute. Just means people get their knickers into a twist and show off trying to prove their arguments blinding others with their ‘intelligence” All been done before so many times until like always you all hit a wall. Then it all gets removed until the next time. And what was that definition of insanity again? Isn’t it about repeating the same behaviors over and over again. None of you mice are ever going to get the cheese. I will shut up now and watch you on your hamster wheels. Oh how would I possibly know anything about anything? Lol
Did no fucker bother to read that?
Snore yawn throws the bible over shoulder dances about oh sorry them fairies and pixies are after Scep for signed autograph and said hurry up already x
So much testosterone but ya all still chatting about the same old crap trying to score points when none of you know the truth will ever know the truth and are just like everyone else wondering in the dark trying to make sense where nothing makes any sense
Change the record
Like a good friend of mine says
Never mind the bollox
By capitalism I mean broadly, (simplistically) the text book definition. All I see in the UK, in big business, is corporatism, not capitalism and which I would argue are not one and the same, or an extension of each other. Monster corporations, predominantly in the service sector, who are financially propped up by state subsidy and who then become too large to fail as a direct consequence. Socialized ‘capitalism’ if you like where the state carries the burden of financial risk. Corporatism devalues labor in its never ending quest for efficiency savings, for ultimately profit and shareholder dividends, etc. That dosh does not swill about in the broader economy and is being squirreled away in tax havens. The privatization of utility and the railways in the 80s which was supposed to lead to more competition and be more efficient as a direct result and so ultimately, cheaper for the consumer. I think most people recognize the big six energy cartel has been disastrous for the consumer. The shift away from high skilled manufacturing has been an absolute disaster for the British economy and has led to less competition and less efficiency (compared to our competitors). etc.
Capitalism is still not defined by you. Capitalism is a system based on the accumulation of capital, and capital is money which makes money.
Corporatism is the system whereby the state, capital and labour collaborate in managing the economy. You seem to confuse corporatism with large corporations, or oligopolies, whihc dominate the economy. But however you define it, it’s still capitalism.
And I see no problem in manufacturing declining. It’s just a natural development of any economy – the move from primary (agricultural) to secondary (manufacturing) to tertiary (services). It happened in the USA 20 years before it happened in the UK. Automation and robotisation are the new phases. All still capitalism.
You sure you’re not defining your phases all on your own, gerry??
By capitalism I mean broadly, (simplistically) the text book definition. All I see in the UK, in big business, is corporatism, not capitalism and which I would argue are not one and the same, or an extension of each other. Monster corporations, predominantly in the service sector, who are financially propped up by state subsidy and who then become too large to fail as a direct consequence. Socialized ‘capitalism’ if you like where the state carries the burden of financial risk. Corporatism devalues labor in its never ending quest for efficiency savings, for ultimately profit and shareholder dividends, etc. That dosh does not swill about in the broader economy and is being squirreled away in tax havens. The privatization of utility and the railways in the 80s which was supposed to lead to more competition and be more efficient as a direct result and so ultimately, cheaper for the consumer. I think most people recognize the big six energy cartel has been disastrous for the consumer. The shift away from high skilled manufacturing has been an absolute disaster for the British economy and has led to less competition and less efficiency (compared to our competitors). etc.
Capitalism is still not defined by you. Capitalism is a system based on the accumulation of capital, and capital is money which makes money. Corporatism is the system whereby the state, capital and labour collaborate in managing the economy. You seem to confuse corporatism with large corporations, or oligopolies, whihc dominate the economy. But however you define it, it’s still capitalism. And I see no problem in manufacturing declining. It’s just a natural development of any economy – the move from primary (agricultural) to secondary (manufacturing) to tertiary (services). It happened in the USA 20 years before it happened in the UK. Automation and robotisation are the new phases. All still capitalism. You sure you’re not defining your phases all on your own, gerry??
I am not confused by anything, thanks all the same and i’ll define capitalism by how I view it through my eyes, not by how you view it, through your eyes. Capitalism is schoolboy stuff and I almost didn’t respond assuming it was a wind up. We can all trot out competitive technical jargon, I choose not to.
By capitalism I mean broadly, (simplistically) the text book definition. All I see in the UK, in big business, is corporatism, not capitalism and which I would argue are not one and the same, or an extension of each other. Monster corporations, predominantly in the service sector, who are financially propped up by state subsidy and who then become too large to fail as a direct consequence. Socialized ‘capitalism’ if you like where the state carries the burden of financial risk. Corporatism devalues labor in its never ending quest for efficiency savings, for ultimately profit and shareholder dividends, etc. That dosh does not swill about in the broader economy and is being squirreled away in tax havens. The privatization of utility and the railways in the 80s which was supposed to lead to more competition and be more efficient as a direct result and so ultimately, cheaper for the consumer. I think most people recognize the big six energy cartel has been disastrous for the consumer. The shift away from high skilled manufacturing has been an absolute disaster for the British economy and has led to less competition and less efficiency (compared to our competitors). etc.
Capitalism is still not defined by you. Capitalism is a system based on the accumulation of capital, and capital is money which makes money. Corporatism is the system whereby the state, capital and labour collaborate in managing the economy. You seem to confuse corporatism with large corporations, or oligopolies, whihc dominate the economy. But however you define it, it’s still capitalism. And I see no problem in manufacturing declining. It’s just a natural development of any economy – the move from primary (agricultural) to secondary (manufacturing) to tertiary (services). It happened in the USA 20 years before it happened in the UK. Automation and robotisation are the new phases. All still capitalism. You sure you’re not defining your phases all on your own, gerry??
I am not confused by anything, thanks all the same and i’ll define capitalism by how I view it through my eyes,
By that logic then , I could describe a ham sandwich as a penguin
By that logic then , I could describe a ham sandwich as a penguin
Why not you usually do. Random random random.
By capitalism I mean broadly, (simplistically) the text book definition.
For the blinkered. :)
Like a good friend of mine says Never mind the bollox
wow! you know John Lydon?
I used to drink at the George Robey, in Finsbury Park.
By capitalism I mean broadly, (simplistically) the text book definition.
For the blinkered. :)
So how do we not live in a capitalist society? methinks you are confusing perfect competition and free markets, which definitely don’t exist, with capitalism, whihc definitely does.
Again, for the last time, I am not confusing anything, with anything else. Billions of words have been written regarding this subject, countless theories presented, one or two lines on an internet chat site doesn’t cut the muster, nor should it. We do NOT live in a capitalist society, as I stated but only in my opinion, we live in a hybrid bastardized version of capitalism and which has evolved into corporatism, post-capitalism, a fairly new phenomenon and NOT capitalism per se.
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