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sceptical guy wrote:

Arc, I don’t know how lone this nutter is..they’ve arrested several people now in Birmingham. ISIS have claimed responsibility, which means that they think it’s something to do with the,. ISIS is much more dangerous than Al Quaeda because of people like this nut. Al Quaeda seems to operate through cells which can be infiltrated; their plots in the UK are easily foiled by good detective work. ISIS operates through calls on their supporters to do whatever damage they think they can, wherever they are. much less organised, so much more difficult for the cops to control. Rude boy, like the Bible, the Koran is open to different interpretations. That means that Muslims, like Christians, read what they want into it. Otherwise Islam (and Christianity) would be subject to such schisms. You’ll find that ISIS kills and terrorises a huge number of Muslims, whom it regards as infidels. Ms K has made the excellent point that most religious people don’t take their religion so seriously. Drac, you take limited surveys and read too much into them. I said that there is an alarming tendency for jihadis to find some favour among the young, especially students. If Muslims are committed to violence, then there is a bloodbath in the offing, whatever anyone does. A bloodbath is not in the offing – unless you or rude boy want one. Declare war on Islam and we all are in serious danger. It would be our fault too. The majority of Muslims are as scared of ISIS as we are; more so, maybe. I am not friendly (at all) to Islam. I hold out the hand of friendship to Muslims. There is freedom of religion in this country, subject to sensible laws. I am also free to criticise the homophobia of Muslims and Christians. It’s not a simple one-dimensional approach, but it’s not too complicated to understand – unless you don’t want to..

You’re right when you say ” religious people don’t often take their religion seriously” which differentiates them from “extremists” but it’s hardly a strong argument for defending Islam is it using the point of many of them don’t take the Quran seriously so it’s fine. The ones that do take the ” religion ” seriously are the real threat which just emphasises how dangerous it is.

You state ” we are all in danger if we declare war on Islam” yet the Uk is a predominantly Christian country and if war was declared on Christianity apart from vocal outrage I doubt there would be loss of life. If you declare war on the prophet muhammed , you face execution which is in a nutshell the difference between Christianity and a dark age cult that has no place in a civilised country. If as you say you ” criticise homophobic views ” in an Islamic country sceptical you would be probably put to death or thrown in jail… be quite interesting to see your “hand of friendship ” extended behind bars probably awaiting the death penalty. As always very easy to type this sort of crap in a comfortable armchair with a log fire burning but you don’t live in the real world and have a very naive view on life.

draculina wrote:

rudeboy wrote:

You need to educate yourself instead of your continual sniping , it gets irritating. https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality/british-citizenship If you were born here before 1983 you are effectively a British citizen but then you came here from another country

The before 1983 is the important part here, the law has changed so that now at least one parent must also be a British citizen, or an EU citizen, but I expect this will be removed in 2 years. I was born in 1992, 1983 seems like a long time ago to me. Which is why I didn’t mention the law changed.

It’s a moot point in any event, my point is as you well know that someone adhering to these ” conditions” which aren’t particularly stringent does not suddenly become a Brit in their mindset. In the laws eyes they are but there is more to a persons status than  a piece of paperwith place of birth or parents job etc .  Sceptical was implying these attacks were carried out by “one of our own” when it’s clear mass immigration has led to this problem and will continue to do so.

Freesia wrote:

sceptical guy wrote:

We pretty much know the problem. We are handling it the only way it can be handled.

I pretty much agree on this and don’t feel the need to go further into it, as anything said beyond this is pretty useless from a logical point of view…..unless you’re thinking of looking towards some sort of civil outbreak ? Rocket science, not.

You have said on more than one thread that ” you don’t see the point in discussing it” so why not fck off then to other threads that may interest you more as many of us are interested. If there was a thread I didn’t see the point in discussing I wouldn’t log in to comment on it yet you feel the need to for some strange reason… boredom perhaps?