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Arc,
I don’t know how lone this nutter is..they’ve arrested several people now in Birmingham. ISIS have claimed responsibility, which means that they think it’s something to do with the,.
ISIS is much more dangerous than Al Quaeda because of people like this nut. Al Quaeda seems to operate through cells which can be infiltrated; their plots in the UK are easily foiled by good detective work. ISIS operates through calls on their supporters to do whatever damage they think they can, wherever they are. much less organised, so much more difficult for the cops to control.
Rude boy, like the Bible, the Koran is open to different interpretations. That means that Muslims, like Christians, read what they want into it. Otherwise Islam (and Christianity) would be subject to such schisms. You’ll find that ISIS kills and terrorises a huge number of Muslims, whom it regards as infidels. Ms K has made the excellent point that most religious people don’t take their religion so seriously.
Drac, you take limited surveys and read too much into them. I said that there is an alarming tendency for jihadis to find some favour among the young, especially students. If Muslims are committed to violence, then there is a bloodbath in the offing, whatever anyone does. A bloodbath is not in the offing – unless you or rude boy want one.
Declare war on Islam and we all are in serious danger. It would be our fault too. The majority of Muslims are as scared of ISIS as we are; more so, maybe.
I am not friendly (at all) to Islam. I hold out the hand of friendship to Muslims. There is freedom of religion in this country, subject to sensible laws. I am also free to criticise the homophobia of Muslims and Christians. It’s not a simple one-dimensional approach, but it’s not too complicated to understand – unless you don’t want to..
I have had many muslim friends in the past, but they have all ended in hostility over my sexuality.
In regards to being free to criticise Islam, this is not the case in many countries, Australia has blasphemy laws with prevent the criticism of any religion, and Candada is currently in the processes of enacting a bill that makes islamophobia (which is not defined in the bill) punishable under hate crime laws, it is currently supported by both the Liberal and Conservative parties so it will probably go through. If we are not careful then we will soon have similar laws here.
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Another slant to this ….. 3 people lost their lives & several more were badly injured. The doctors nurses & others from St Thomas’s ran out to help the injured as did the MP that fought to save the policeman … sadly in vain. This attack was one bloody nutter & no one will know why he did it . To my knowledge NO POLITICAL or RACIAL group has taken responsibilty . I might be alone here in this thought BUT ….. if it was a full blown terrorist attack there would of been a lot more damage done & the potential loss of life doesn’t bare thinking about. The way the situation was dealt with was amazing really considering the chaos & many many people were kept safe by our police. In the face of adversity they stepped up & for that we must be thankful. My thoughts go out to all those affected by Wednesdays events but we as Brits stand united & won’t live in fear of these loose cannons or terrorists.
Arc, I should say I think you’re absolutely right about the reactions to the attack. The quiet humanity of people who stopped on the bridge to help the injured when the temptation must have been to run like hell is hardly mentioned bu should be. There seems to have been a lot of chaos in the way the police and security people handled the situation in parliament itself, but there would be – human beings reacting to a situation when they’re uncertain about what’s going on.
You’re right again about this guy not inflicting as much carnage as he could have done. A car attack in Antwerp the following day was stopped without injuries. If I remember rightly, an attack on Glasgow airport a few years ago saw the idiots who were committing the attack set fire to themselves.
Hints of the Chris Morris film, Fur Lions, in which four Muslim idiots succeed in blowing themselves up after continual biatching at one another.
Politicians’ (particularly Theresa May) comments about the attack not being Islamic, but instead being a perversion of a great faith, is exactly why Islamic terrorism will continue to happen – and happen at an accelerating rate – unimpeded. They have blood on their hands, and as too I would suggest does every person in public life who also echoes their BS.
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I don#’t want to protect Islam from criticism.
It has great weaknesses – weaknesses which derive form its Mosaic origins, origins whihc it shares with Christianity and Judaism.
But I do want to protect Muslims from the sort of persecution this American Christian nut wants to unleash, provoking a bloodbath in this country.
And i do want to protect the freedom to practise religion in this country – subject to law.
If you turn on Muslims – most of whom are opposed to the jihadis – then you give those jihadis the victory they crave.
Don’t give in to the jihadis by turning on Muslims!
I have had many muslim friends in the past, but they have all ended in hostility over my sexuality. In regards to being free to criticise Islam, this is not the case in many countries, Australia has blasphemy laws with prevent the criticism of any religion, and Candada is currently in the processes of enacting a bill that makes islamophobia (which is not defined in the bill) punishable under hate crime laws, it is currently supported by both the Liberal and Conservative parties so it will probably go through. If we are not careful then we will soon have similar laws here.
drac …. what has your sexuality got to do with the attack in London?
Fact all creeds are predjudiced to certain things sexuality being one.
I may have read your comments wrong (if I have I apologise) but you are sounding like you are tarring all muslims with the same brush.
True muslims ARE not the same as these nutters that go around destroying.
Fact we are to put it bluntly pishing in the wind trying to rid the world of the extremists.
If the “muslims” persay wanted us gone we would be long gone !!
So lets try & keep things in perspective & not use London as an excuse to hate the muslims.
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drac …. what has your sexuality got to do with the attack in London?
Nothing, I was talking about my peronal friendships with muslims.
I may have read your comments wrong (if I have I apologise) but you are sounding like you are tarring all muslims with the same brush.
Only just over 50% of them, from the statistics and studies I have read. Although my personal experiences would be closer to 100%.
True muslims ARE not the same as these nutters that go around destroying.
What do you define as a ‘true’ muslim, someone who followed the Qu’ran and the teachings of the Sunnah literally would be far worse than the attacker involved in the most recent attack.
So lets try & keep things in perspective & not use London as an excuse to hate the muslims.
I don’t hate muslims, I hate Islam, and the views it promotes. Not all muslims follow it to the letter, or at all. But can you really even call them muslims at that point? I feel the same about Christianity, the West Boro Baptist church being a good example I think.
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The problem of terror isn’t Islam, but the jihadis, radical Islam. If the problem was Islam, then we would be in real trouble; several million Muslims in the UK who supported terror would be a civil war situation. The vast majority of Muslims are totally opposed to terror attacks. The worrying thing is the number of young people whoa re attracted to the jihadis. and this is a question which is a very difficult nettle to grasp. Attacking Islam is a sure way of increasing their support; showing a friendly face to Islam while totally rejecting the jihadis is the best way of isolating and marginalising the jihadis. On Islam in general, I am in sympathy with you. It’s not a religion which I find attractive, personally, and its homophobia (and misogyny and sexual puritanism) is repellant. It shares this with many (by no means all) Christians. But we’re talking of terror, here, not the attractiveness or otherwise of Islam
There’s no such thing as ” radical Islam”. There are people who carry out the literal preachings of the Quran like Isis creating carnage and those that don’t who technically are not true muslims as they don’t follow the holy book literally. The whole religion of Islam is radical .. some choose to re enact direct passages contained in the Quran and some ignore them. There’s nothing moderate about some of the verses contained here http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/195861 With what Islam represents I don;t see how you can separate the religion from the terror you mention as both are interlinked very closely. You mention it’s homophobic for eg and then state ” but we are talking terror not the attractiveness of Islam”. Yet Islam talks about gay people being put to death so how can you differentiate between the two?
It’s not infact the vast majority of muslims who are opposed to terror attacks, as there was an in depth poll done relating to muslims living in the UK regarding views over terrorism activity and over 40% of the 3 million here had ” sympathy with the 7/7 bombers ” which is hardly an insignificant minority.
The terrorist is a Brit, inspired by ISIS. Every serious terror attack in this country, the 7/7 bombing of 2005, the butchery of Lee Rigby, has been carried out by a Brit. Blocking immigration from Muslim countries is not going to dent this problem. Even if we do, we’re going to be faced with the fear of another attack, which is very real. It may seem heartless to say, and I mean absolutely no disrespect to the pain and suffering of the victims and their families, but we got off lightly. Compare with the 32 dead in Brussels and the 84 dead in Nice last year. There’s no guarantee that an attack with heavy loss of life won’t take place in the UK. The police re conducting 500 investigations into jihadis at the moment, before the attack, and they tend to be very effective. But there is no way that anybody or any policy can stop the new type of attack coming into place – the lone attacker, using a car/heavy vehicle and a knife. The new weapon of the day among young gangs in the UK is to use acid rather than knives – very nasty. I wouldn’t rule out that being used.
You say that every terror activity has ” been carried out by a brit” but what constitutes a brit? Maybe in the eyes of the law a brit is someone that came out between their mothers legs on these shores but a British person to me is someone who adapts and accepts the British way of life facilitating integration into a countries culture. A muslim coming here with values incompatible with any civilised British way of life and not able to live with natives in a country they have no bloodline to is not ” A brit” by any definition. I’d personally have a blanket ban on all muslims as a group of people that are incapable of shaking off a belief system stemming from a time of barbarism that belongs in the dark ages, certainly not on these shores. If that means ” some peace loving muslims ” are kicked out so be it ..any life saved by what amounts to a belief orientation more akin to savages than humans if worth it in my eyes.
Another slant to this ….. 3 people lost their lives & several more were badly injured. The doctors nurses & others from St Thomas’s ran out to help the injured as did the MP that fought to save the policeman … sadly in vain. This attack was one bloody nutter & no one will know why he did it . To my knowledge NO POLITICAL or RACIAL group has taken responsibilty . I might be alone here in this thought BUT ….. if it was a full blown terrorist attack there would of been a lot more damage done & the potential loss of life doesn’t bare thinking about. The way the situation was dealt with was amazing really considering the chaos & many many people were kept safe by our police. In the face of adversity they stepped up & for that we must be thankful. My thoughts go out to all those affected by Wednesdays events but we as Brits stand united & won’t live in fear of these loose cannons or terrorists.
We don’t stand united though do we as we have already discussed on this and other threads, there are hundreds of thousands of British muslims supporting terrorism activities so what’s united about that? Putting a few facebook profile union jacks up isn’t going to tackle the route of the problem which is effectively Islam.
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