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Everyone can believe what they want, the majority of people are with you… How do you know lol
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but when you’re dead, you’re dead. The notion that all living creatures have a soul and paradise awaits with worms, flies, rats and bats fluttering around as relatives peer through the haze saying welcome to heaven is too ridiculous to merit a discussion.
I’ve been reincarnated 😈
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but when you’re dead, you’re dead. The notion that all living creatures have a soul and paradise awaits with worms, flies, rats and bats fluttering around as relatives peer through the haze saying welcome to heaven is too ridiculous to merit a discussion.
Again, I have to ask, Mr Norfolk. What you’re saying may well be true or maybe not. But how do you know?? You may feel you feel fairly certain, but some Muslims feel just as certain that they’re heading for a harem in paradise. maybe they’re right, too. Who knows? How do you know?
I don’t , I use the balance of probability with the limited information at my disposal. I would suggest my approximation of what happens after death bears a closer resemblance to truth than a book of fiction based on a middle aged paedophile and his 9 year old wife but who knows.
Gerry, there is plenty of evidence on both sides of the case about God’s existence. God exists or doesn’t exist is something we can all agree on. We can stop at agnosticism, or something can make us move on. There is evidence that the cosmos is a creation of Love; there is also evidence that the cosmos is a cold and indifferent place. The adult conversation lies in presenting arguments against or for his existence; in listening to the arguments; and in sifting the evidence at each point in your life to make a decision. I don’t know whether God exists or not, unlike the Dawkins crowd and the fundamentalists. I have human doubt, and I don’t intend to let go it it, as that way lies the enthusiasm whihc tends to fanaticism. I feel pretty confident (as far as possible) that some versions of God are less likely than others. Human reasoning can certainly lead you so far, to the lip of faith. Whether you then withdraw or move forward could be a result of some secretions within the brain or it could be the revelation that God is there waiting for you to stop keeping the door shut. I don’t have a final answer to that one. That acknowledgment of doubt and of the possibility of stepping forwards or backwards despite the doubt isn’t a black and white decision. It’s a decision whihc is always open to us all.
It is nowhere near as black and white as you imply, firstly you have to define ” God”, secondly you have to accept your own consciousness is infact reality, then you have to accept your brain like others have said only uses a tiny amount of it’s capacity ( like us all) so our perception of what is real/not real is fundamentally flawed. From this shaky base of awareness, we are not in a position to make conjecture over anything regarding what could contitute an illusion of ” existence”. As you alluded to on the other thread, mechanical physics gives way to Newtonian/ quantum physics and in new generations this simplistic way of looking at ” God ” will be laughed at. The holy spirit floating round the room and judgement day is just as daft as witches and hobgoblins
. There is evidence that the cosmos is a creation of Love; .
Where?
The Divine Love 💖
The adult conversation lies in presenting arguments against or for his existence; in listening to the arguments; and in sifting the evidence at each point in your life to make a decision.
The parasitical human species will have all but destroyed this planet and all other species, long before any so called “adults” reach any discourse on the topic of religion and whether or not, a God actually exists. That so called ‘intellectual’ class will and are hastening earths demise, destroying millions of years of evolution in a blink of an eye. While the ‘intellectual’ class is squabbling over issues far to complex for us mere mortals, they are also destroying this planet.
In 1,000 years time that same ‘intellectual’ class will live in domed cities, patrolled by private armies, while everyone else resides in a toxic wasteland that same ‘intellectual’ class created and the question of whether a God or not exists, will still not have been answered.
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Ge.
In 1,000 years time
We will be extinct
99% of all species of life that have ever existed are now extinct.
Bloody hell!
It’s being cheerful which keeps us all going, isn’t it?
Someone hand round the cyanide capsules quick.
Now, for Gerry, it’s the intellectuals who are destroying the planet, and there was me thinking it’s lousy and thoughtless consumption, mass use of plastic and an unparalleled emission of carbon into the atmosphere.
Do something about it? Why? We’re all going to die anyway, life’s horrible, tell God your plans for life if you want to hear him laugh, why am I so unfulfilled but no worry because every other bastard is unfulfilled as well, nobody lubs me but hey I’m tough, I’m wised up I know that lub is for the birds, that life is just to die, I laugh at all the fools who think differently hahahahahaha.
people have been prophesying the end of the world since Gilgamesh. People have been giving exact dates for when our species will end since the same time. Some are convinced that they’ll be saved when Sodom and Gomorrah meet their rightful end, and they’ll end up drinking the best of wines with God and pee on all the other poor slobs who didn’t have the intelligence of setting up a good insurance policy by going to the right Church.
What are we supposed to say? Our species will end by 2100?? maybe. I don’t know, but I’m sure that there are many (mis)uses of scientific information which will show this to be true. many are ready to believe the doomsday merchants.
Don’t worry. It will all end one day, for you and me pretty soon and for humanity at some point. Take each day as it comes.
Norfolk’s arguments are important and I’ll take them up later today if my health lasts (this flu is horrible, it’s all the fault of the intellectuals you know), but I was a bit taken aback by the posts whihc followed his.
While the ‘intellectual’ class is squabbling over issues far to complex for us mere mortals, they are also destroying this planet.
Whether this is so or not I have no comment on. However, let’s just say for a moment it IS so, then it’s got to be better than the non intellectuals destroying the planet. Infact, I’d say the planet would have been destroyed ages ago if it were left to the non intellectuals, thus, none of us would be here today.
Oh and I forgot to add, the incestuous, historical links between Christianity and Capitalism, if the dots are joined, is no doubt responsible for the decline in both and ultimately responsible for what replaces in the near future, both.
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