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I wasn’t aware that Islam was a taboo subject, I thought it was more religion in general.
I also wasn’t aware that talking about Islam equated to racism or being abusive, certainly no more than any other religion. Not unless you join the message boards of certain “political” parties of course…Have you prejudged us before the discussion has even started?
Ok BB…I think there is an element of truth in your post touching on the taboo bit.
Debates like this will inevitably turn into a slanging match, it’s called passion….I don’t know much about Islam, or any other faith that isn’t mine in fact thinking about it I don’t know that much about mine either :lol: …..to be quite honest I personally don’t need to know any more….I personally don’t need to be educated for any purpose on Islam to make an impact or difference in my life, just like other religions. Most people have basic understanding….when one learns and tolerates humanity that is when we can have a debate like this regarding people of other faiths and religions and beliefs
(I will add as the thread grows)I’m happy for serious subjects to be discussed here, as well as happy birthdays and slag-off humour.
So….
waits for the substance from this person who is obviously unbiased – s/he tells us so
it’s already growing and s/he hasn’t said anything yet :wink:
All religions can be dangerous when taken to the extreme.
The ISIS is a small group of extremist Muslims, they do not represent the whole Muslim community just like the Irish Catholics who hide behind the IRA are not a true representation to all Irish.
BB, the next time you start a thread you’d probably be better off having all your info ready and not to reserve places to post later esp when a thread goes up a few pages not many will go back to read first page.
Lucy’s right –
@irish_lucy wrote:
BB, the next time you start a thread you’d probably be better off having all your info ready and not to reserve places to post later esp when a thread goes up a few pages not many will go back to read first page.
a thread develops as a discussion. What BB is in danger of (intending) is to set aside two posts at the start to create an essay, on which all our posts are just a commentary.
Sorry, BB, you have yet to gain my trust. You remind me of an earlier post on Islam with the assumption that Islamists are all liars, lying for the sake of the True Belief. That thread betrayed a profound lack of understanding of Islam in today’s world.
But I may be wrong – please continue, remembering to keep it interesting. It’s a discussion, not an essay which operates on these boards.
I usually would be the first to dispute and argue against hypocrisy within Islam, but unfortunately, after many studies and insight into Islam, apart from its poetic Qur’an, I can’t seem to find truth within any organized religion, including Islam.
From Surat Al Kafirun:
Last verse“Lakum deenakum wa liya deeni” ….Doesn’t seem to echo through the spirit of what (I thought) Islam was about.
The punishment for apostasy completely nullifies this entire sura, for example.
There are more examples. That is just one I can think of for now.
What does that line mean Cherrie?
I do feel strongly that the Burkah should be banned being worn in public places in this country thought. Now theres a controversial statement.
@kent f OBE wrote:
What does that line mean Cherrie?
I do feel strongly that the Burkah should be banned being worn in public places in this country thought. Now theres a controversial statement.
It means
“You have your religion and I have mine”
I am actually not against the burka, a turban, a sari or any kind of dressing as such. If anything, I am more likely to be offended by too much leg, butt and boobs so casually on display out on the streets :P
Sikhs wear a damn dagger around for “religious” purposes. Now THAT is a concern also. Much more than the burka.
Thanks for that Cherrie…
Good points raised.
The reason for my comment on the burkah was more from the stories we hear of extremists able to flea the country through airport security wearing these garments. Very concerning. If they are infact true stories. Maybe that’s why the new x-ray machines have been introduced. I suppose day to day the women that wear them don’t cause any harm to anyone through their garments. Maybe I should actually thinking about it, feel more it shouldn’t be worn through airport security and the like.
I also understand your comment on other garments like the turban, sari and whatever is foreign. The sari or turban doesn’t cover someone’s identity to the fact you cannot see if they are male or female.
But about the small dagger I definitely see your point.
It is a weapon, regardless of its religious symbol. It seems crazy that you hear stories of women not allowed to wear crosses around their necks, yet baptised Sikhs are allowed to wear actual daggers on their person. I have mentioned before my mum wears one. I have never actually seen it out of its holder so do not know even if it is a proper sharp “working” one or that they have to filed down to be allowed to be worn in public, I will have to ask her.
There is an alternative for Sikhs when the proper dagger cannot be worn, and that is a tiny replica can be worn around the neck. This has always been the case, even in India many many years ago these necklaces exist. So there really cannot be an argument about Human Rights or Religious Rights if these daggers were banned. It is perfectly acceptable in the Sikh religion to find alternatives to keep harmony. But as with anything sensitive issues like are never black and white and its always made into a bigger deal than an easy resolve.
For instance I have a brother(adopted one) who is super duper religious, not a violent extremist just hard core religious to the point he lectures me to be baptised and we end up arguing lol, if the dagger was ever ruled to be banned from public wearing he would kick up a fuss!!If people want to live here they should abide by the law of the land, I totally agree. If the dagger becomes illegal to wear in public I shall make my mum take it off. :lol:
:idea: in the unlikely event of me meeting Kenty’s mum, I shall avoid taunting or arguing with her.
I feel the burqua is the fashion of the future, though it would be a shame if women had to cover themselves up to avoid cherry’s disapproval. However, if Kenty’s mum disapproved, I would advise caution.
I wonder if a woman trying on a new burqua would ask their friend if their bomb looks big in this *joke, only a joke!! :arrow:
I do like to discuss religion seriously by the way, but Islam does not appeal because of its emphasis on male supremacy and order. There are major differences n interpreting Islam, though, as there are in any religion. Not every Christian wants to burn their opponent at the stake, or feels the duty to wave their hands in the air shouting hallelujah, and most Moslems abhor violence, interpreting jihad in the same way that Christians interpret evangelical conversion.
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