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seems a few people have a bee in thier bonnet eh blossy!
Lol, yes Milky :lol:
@irish_lucy wrote:
yeah thats what i mean, since were the ones paying to keep the foreign Governments in riches, if we stopped giving them money would it make them fix their Country and therefore stop people from fleeing.
Its the West that supplies money and guns so if we stopped, would it help??
30 years ago was Live Aid, and over 30 million was raised back then, more than enough to feed them all but were did it go?
There is more poverty now, more refugees and no sign of a solution.
Governments are getting richer and the people are getting poorer, something has to give.Many refugees are not fleeing from poverty; they are fleeing from persecution (racial, religious, homophobic etc.), war, tribal warfare, attacks from their own governments and so on. As much as we may not like the way some countries are run, dictatorships, tribal lines and so on, we have contributed to the upheaval in several countries by trying to impose a western democracy on countries that either don’t want or are not ready for it. That’s a very simplistic way of putting it of course, it’s far more complex than that.
The fact is that there have always been refugees for one reason or another and there probably always will. As soon as you address a problem in one area another one will appear in another area. You can’t blame people for wanting a better life than the one they have whatever the cause. In my view, trying to stop refugees is like King Canute trying to stop the tide. It makes far more sense to me for the countries that the refugees want to go to, usually Europe or the US, to agree an approach to supporting these people in a way that no one has to take more refugees than their country can cope with and that every country makes a contribution to funding the support that they need. Maybe rethinking our approach to foreign aid is the answer, with some going to the countries to help those that want to stay there and some going to supporting those that want to leave.
That’s just off the top of my head, I’ve not really thought it through so I’ll wait for holes to be picked in it :lol:
bunch of loons simple as bloss
oi! :evil:
@blossom. wrote:
Oh here we go… :roll:
Did I perhaps say I disagree on them fleeing their country of origin due to wars, etc? No.
All I said was that people who agree on them coming into the country, should also give them a helping hand and put them up for a few days in their own home, until they’re given/find somewhere suitable to live.
That doesn’t sound like being a Nazi to me.
Actually I find it rather hypocritical of people who only help them out with kind words.
Kind words are hardly going to put them in a bed or place food on their table.there was a nasty atmosphere about the refugees thsat morning, blos, with people calling for gassing them among other solutions. Effective and human policing is enough, but people automatically thought in terms of mass slaughter. . Farage wants to use the army on them. Instead of confronting that nasty anti-immigrant atmosphere, you contributed to it by saying that people who were pro-refugee should put them up themselves.
In fact the latest waves of refugees are mainly from the war in Syria and Libya, the latter cause by RAF bombing to change a regime we didn’t like. That backfired as the IS nutters moved in to fill the gap (I saw on the news that the government spent 13 times more on bombing Libya than it did in helping to reconstruct it. If a war as savage as Syria’s or Libya’s broke out here, we would flee and we would be just as determined to find a place for our families, no matter what the danger.
The reason why so many (there’s about 5000 total this ;last year, and 3,500 in the last tow days) is because the government is building a major security fence, and the immigrants have a matter of days to get through – they’r prepared to risk death to do it , a sign of desperation which should be handled with a little more care and thought.
@jen_jen wrote:
The fact is that there have always been refugees for one reason or another and there probably always will. As soon as you address a problem in one area another one will appear in another area. You can’t blame people for wanting a better life than the one they have whatever the cause. In my view, trying to stop refugees is like King Canute trying to stop the tide. It makes far more sense to me for the countries that the refugees want to go to, usually Europe or the US, to agree an approach to supporting these people in a way that no one has to take more refugees than their country can cope with and that every country makes a contribution to funding the support that they need. Maybe rethinking our approach to foreign aid is the answer, with some going to the countries to help those that want to stay there and some going to supporting those that want to leave.
That’s just off the top of my head, I’ve not really thought it through so I’ll wait for holes to be picked in it :lol:
Jen, that may be just off the top of your head, but it makes a lot more sense than I’ve heard elsewhere in jc.
Now about the basque and suspenders you wear, is ther any way I can see…oh ahem..
sorry, my mind is clean
honest :D
@sceptical guy wrote:
@blossom. wrote:
Oh here we go… :roll:
Did I perhaps say I disagree on them fleeing their country of origin due to wars, etc? No.
All I said was that people who agree on them coming into the country, should also give them a helping hand and put them up for a few days in their own home, until they’re given/find somewhere suitable to live.
That doesn’t sound like being a Nazi to me.
Actually I find it rather hypocritical of people who only help them out with kind words.
Kind words are hardly going to put them in a bed or place food on their table.there was a nasty atmosphere about the refugees thsat morning, blos, with people calling for gassing them among other solutions. Effective and human policing is enough, but people automatically thought in terms of mass slaughter. . Farage wants to use the army on them. Instead of confronting that nasty anti-immigrant atmosphere, you contributed to it by saying that people who were pro-refugee should put them up themselves.
In fact the latest waves of refugees are mainly from the war in Syria and Libya, the latter cause by RAF bombing to change a regime we didn’t like. That backfired as the IS nutters moved in to fill the gap (I saw on the news that the government spent 13 times more on bombing Libya than it did in helping to reconstruct it. If a war as savage as Syria’s or Libya’s broke out here, we would flee and we would be just as determined to find a place for our families, no matter what the danger.
The reason why so many (there’s about 5000 total this ;last year, and 3,500 in the last tow days) is because the government is building a major security fence, and the immigrants have a matter of days to get through – they’r prepared to risk death to do it , a sign of desperation which should be handled with a little more care and thought.
I’m sorry about that Skep, I must have missed the bit about gassing, all I saw was the bit about migrants trying to reach the tunnel/chunnel … and I wasn’t being sarcastic when I said the bit about folk putting them up whilst they were given some sort of shelter by the authoritites.
I think most don’t understand what these people are going through.
It’s obvious that if they’re risking their lives, they must be fleeing from a much worse situation.Or fleeing to a country that’s an easy touch… they’re in France flee to France
@blossom. wrote:
@sceptical guy wrote:
@blossom. wrote:
Oh here we go… :roll:
Did I perhaps say I disagree on them fleeing their country of origin due to wars, etc? No.
All I said was that people who agree on them coming into the country, should also give them a helping hand and put them up for a few days in their own home, until they’re given/find somewhere suitable to live.
That doesn’t sound like being a Nazi to me.
Actually I find it rather hypocritical of people who only help them out with kind words.
Kind words are hardly going to put them in a bed or place food on their table.there was a nasty atmosphere about the refugees thsat morning, blos, with people calling for gassing them among other solutions. Effective and human policing is enough, but people automatically thought in terms of mass slaughter. . Farage wants to use the army on them. Instead of confronting that nasty anti-immigrant atmosphere, you contributed to it by saying that people who were pro-refugee should put them up themselves.
In fact the latest waves of refugees are mainly from the war in Syria and Libya, the latter cause by RAF bombing to change a regime we didn’t like. That backfired as the IS nutters moved in to fill the gap (I saw on the news that the government spent 13 times more on bombing Libya than it did in helping to reconstruct it. If a war as savage as Syria’s or Libya’s broke out here, we would flee and we would be just as determined to find a place for our families, no matter what the danger.
The reason why so many (there’s about 5000 total this ;last year, and 3,500 in the last tow days) is because the government is building a major security fence, and the immigrants have a matter of days to get through – they’r prepared to risk death to do it , a sign of desperation which should be handled with a little more care and thought.
I’m sorry about that Skep, I must have missed the bit about gassing, all I saw was the bit about migrants trying to reach the tunnel/chunnel … and I wasn’t being sarcastic when I said the bit about folk putting them up whilst they were given some sort of shelter by the authoritites.
I think most don’t understand what these people are going through.
It’s obvious that if they’re risking their lives, they must be fleeing from a much worse situation.that’s ok, Blos.
My misunderstanding
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