Jimmy Saville

scep said in his post at the top that as the ar se hole can’t be tried justice wont be done…………i actually disagree…………justice can be done………..tell the world, put it in every paper and keep it well documented that jimmy savile was a paedophile…….this kind of information isn’t easily forgotten as it is so despicable

I understand some of the squeamishness people feel, given the fact that Jimmy Saville is dead, and we cannot be sure all of the stories are true.

The victims of abuse however deserve that we recognise their ordeal and do our best as a society to prevent this sort of behaviour.

Unfortunately, as Jimmy Saville is dead and justice cannot be done in any direct sense. Now that this is all so public, as well as the genuine stories, there will inevitably be exaggeration and people jumping on the bandwagon.

Although we cannot try Jimmy Saville, neither can we ignore what has happened and sweep it under the carpet. There will be many people who will feel guilt and feel that they could have done things differently. We should not take our anger out on them – they have plenty of time to dwell on what they did or didn’t do, and no doubt many people will feel guilty when they couldn’t have done anything in reality.

The person responsible was the one who abused his power and we cannot try him or fully understand what he did because he is dead. This story is therefore not over and there will be many more painful chapters.

Rather than minimise all this, we need to respect what has happened to vulnerable young girls (even if there is no way of judging the veracity of all of the stories). More than anything else we need to do our best to build a society where this is not acceptable.

@jen_jen wrote:

Victims need to be heard, they need to be believed, they need to be supported otherwise they become victims all over again. I also think that a very clear message needs to be sent out that no matter who you are, no matter how famous and influential, no matter how much good work you do, this kind of behaviour can never be acceptable and can never be ignored or excused. No, nothing can be done about Jimmy Savile himself, but something good has to come out of all this badness. And yes, it will happen again, undoubtedly, but hopefully the next time the victims will feel able to come out sooner and people won’t discount it because of who the abuser is.

I agree completely.

It’s certainly a mad bad word and this will not be the last person to abuse his power sexually.

I hope everyone involved and everyone in this position in the future can find the strength to stand up and seek the help. Going to the press isn’t for every one and may not be the best thing.

The last thing we need however is people suffering in silence.

@mrs_teapot wrote:

I do know what you mean poli it seems a fruitless exercise when the person is dead…. However, especially in the case of Jimmy if what has been said is true it needs to be told. People need to know he was not the icon they thought him to be……. Im only sorry he is not alive to answer the charges because the awful thing is we will never know how he would have dealt with it and his explanation.

Im sure some women will jump on the bandwagon and enjoy the limelight… but it pains me to say it… there are too many women to discount and having watched the TV documentary there does seem to be some substance to some of the recollections of these women. So doubtless things will unfold.. so sad things have ended like this for him… but if he did these things he only has himself to blame…. time will tell.

Oh I’m sure there is some substance behind some of the stories, and as I have said before the documentary and since there is undoubtedly no smoke without fire, and so he isn’t what some people thought he was, sonow we have cleared that up again, yes he was allegedly bad probably a paedophile, now what? Nothings changed those people are still abused still can’t get any justice but I’m sure they feel better appearing on tele and all the media following they’ll no doubt get now. I’m sorry you don’t like the way I’d handle the situation Jen, but for me the person if it was one of mine would need my support and time helping them. Getting them to see the right people, counsellors etc lo help them through it not
making it media fodder or chasing someone too dead to catch. Life’s about living moving forward learning. to or get help to do just that, not this looking back media circus. Naive maybe, simple outlook perhaps.
But I’d rather as much as possible help someone take the good from their life, help them deal with the bad and enjoy what all they have left.

@momentaryloss wrote:

I understand some of the squeamishness people feel, given the fact that Jimmy Saville is dead, and we cannot be sure all of the stories are true.
I don’t think it has anything to do with being squeamish

The victims of abuse however deserve that we recognise their ordeal why do other people need to recognise their ordeal? why does the world need to know their darkest thoughts and fears ? this should be dealt with in a proper manner with proper professionals, not the media and do our best as a society to prevent this sort of behaviour. i agree, and feel with the many laws that have been bought in in this country over the last 40 years, both in the work place and out of it, although not perfect helps this, along with many campaigns from schools the police and so forth all help these situations, but none are perfect and there will always sadly be some people that don’t speak up.

Unfortunately, as Jimmy Saville is dead and justice cannot be done in any direct sense. Now that this is all so public, as well as the genuine stories, there will inevitably be exaggeration and people jumping on the bandwagon. Exactly my point this should have been dealt with privately, and without “actual ” fact stayed that way, unless a fact rather than supposition could be discovered beyond all doubt. This isn’t condoning anything he may of done though.

Although we cannot try Jimmy Saville, neither can we ignore what has happened and sweep it under the carpet. So what should we do? just allow anyone who wants to tell a story lies or not tell it ? Maybe because he is dead, it doesnt matter anymore ? There will be many people who will feel guilt and feel that they could have done things differently. We should not take our anger out on them – they have plenty of time to dwell on what they did or didn’t do, and no doubt many people will feel guilty when they couldn’t have done anything in reality.

The person responsible was the one who abused his power and we cannot try him or fully understand what he did because he is dead. This story is therefore not over and there will be many more painful chapters. Plenty of suffering for those that have already suffered yes, as opposed to letting them get help, quietly and privately

Rather than minimise all this, we need to respect what has happened to vulnerable young girls (even if there is no way of judging the veracity of all of the stories). More than anything else we need to do our best to build a society where this is not acceptable.

Yes more than anything else we need to concentrate our time money and energy on preventing future occurences rather than raking over something that cannot be changed