Jimmy Saville

@panda12 wrote:

@retake012 wrote:

I can’t believe the rubbish excuses on this thread defending a dirty old man using his position and money to abuse young women,!
Jesus there’s none so blind as those who refuse to see eh :roll:

But he’s dead! What do you want? A posthumous trial? If found guilty, imprison his skeletal remains?

Execute his dead body?

I’m sorry but regardless of whether he’s guilty or not, nothing can take away the fact he’s brown bread and nothing is going to change that. He is never going to stand trial and justice or exoneration will never be served.

Precisely panda, and jen you stated that the people around one particular woman that went to her employers had been told what he is like, so she knew she wasn’t the only one,so she knew she wasn’t alone in this allegedly. i’m not condoning men sexually assaulting women, whatever age they are, but if they were working as nurses presumably weren’t children, so not sure where the pedophile sides comes in there, and they weren’t raped or physically harmed it was allegedly something that happened during a hug, how much could really have happened in a hug really? i just think its being blown out of proportion thats all, and as panda said, he can’t be prosecuted now, so bringing it to the public eye in this way now after he has gone is pointless, and i’m not sure what these people hope to achieve in doing so, but whatever happens whatever claims are made they can’t be argued with because he isnt here to defend himself, so any one of them could be on a bandwagon and we just won’t know, so why go there. What do they want to come from this ? just to say what a bad man this guy was ? ok lets just say yep he’s a bad bad man, what now ? we all carry on tomorrow and forget all about it, in the supposed knowledge a dead man was once bad .

I have to agree with Poli…… :shock: and panda I’m afraid. No I’m not condoning men who sexualy abuse women, but why didn’t anyone say anything when all this supposedly happened? What’s the point of dragging it all up now? He can’t defend himself, there won’t be any trial, no one will be prosecuted. What is it these people are hoping to achieve?

It seems like the minute someone famous dies these days, hoards of people come scurrying out of the woodwork with tales of how awful the person was. Even poor Robin Gibb wasn’t immune. The papers had to drag up about his first marriage, so what? The man is dead.

Have any of the women who have accused Saville of the child molestation offered any explanation why they didn’t come forward earlier?

It’s relatively easy to say one way or the other what we ‘would’ or ‘wouldn’t’ do one way or the other if it was us, but unless we have been a victim, we actually don’t know. However I wonder if we found out that someone had similarly molested one of our own children? Would their death draw a veil over events?

The CPS decided there was insufficient evidence, that is that they did not think a conviction was likely. Bearing in mind the low conviction rates of rapes and abuses that do get to court even today that does not mean that there was no evidence, but as it was 2007, evidence would have been weakened by then.

I’m not crass enough to expect any JC people who have been victims of abuse (statistically there must be) to offer “I was a victim and I did ‘X'” accounts, but from actual accounts, children – much like abused adults – are often overwhelmingly intimidated by the abuser and keep silence/tolerate abuse way beyond what seems reasonable.

It’s no more likely that a victim of such a crime would react logically and reasonably than that someone any other trauma.

The trouble with abuse is that it makes victims of more than just the direct targets, so yes, I do feel sympathy for Saville’s family and close friends who might not be aware of the previous allegations. But my main sympathy is for his child victims. Any unreasonableness in their responses is way overshadowed by the unreasonableness of what was done to them by someone they should have been able to trust.

As for the account of the new nurse’s encounter with Saville, While a grown woman being groped by Mr Saville has not had the betrayal of a quasi parental figure, even an adult can feel betrayed, hurt and even violated by behaviour far short of rape.

I am sure he was a lovely person Mrs T, and we all know how much he did for Stoke Mandeville etc. But most people who molest and abuse are charming and seem beyond reproach. That is how they all get away with it.

In my opinion, and it is only my opinion…. I think he did what Jen-Jen said and more. I can remember having a conversation with a group of friends (male and female) some time in the 80s. The subject of whether he was gay or straight came up, and one of the blokes said, both probably because he’s into little kids. We then proceeded to have a very long argument about whether he was a kiddy fidler or a perve or not. The consensus was that he may not have actually done anything, but he almost definitely wanted to!