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so it cannot be true.. mrs t knows ya know !
dirty horrible man !!! everyone KNEW he was a freak !
@terry wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
@jen_jen wrote:
So it should be brushed under the carpet like it was throughout his life?
It wasn’t just teenage girls, he liked the young nurses too (allegedly) and several of the nurses at Stoke Mandeville dreaded his visits to the hospital.
And you’re happy to believe all this even though he was never charged let alone convicted of any sex crime?
And it’s ok by you that the accused is dead and cannot defend himself?
I hope you never get to do jury service. :roll:
I’ve done jury service twice.
I agree with Jen.
There is already a stack of evidence against him and even he couldn’t have fixed this one.
Quite rightly, the law in this land states innocent until proven guilty after a fair trial but the guy is dead and therefore he won’t get a fair, posthumous trial.
Sorry, but I don’t believe in the character assassination of the dead.
These woman had ample time to bring their allegations to the attention of the police whilst he was alive.
They chose not to.
nah all his charideee work.. I remember old totp programmes and he freaked me out.. i am sayng fuck all but jimmy saville WAS a perv !
panda,, beleive me. I sussed them at a mllion paces..!
they were wee girls panda and somehow thought they “deserved such treatment”. Uncle jimmy ffs.. was a different time.. was a diifferent life.
perv !
Why didn’t the women say anything before? Let’s not forget abuse and sexualisation of ‘precocious’ young girls was winked at publicly in those days (it would have been the 70s).
In 1989 Bill Wyman married an 18 year old he had been “dating” since she was 13. The most the papers said at the time was that she was a “wild child” and the only fuss was about her going to night clubs, dancing on tables, consorting with celebrities with her mother’s support. There was none of the outrage expressed recently about the teacher running off with a 15 year old pupil. Gary Glitter and Jonathan King also carried out their crimes during the 70s and 80s. Perhaps a celebrity culture existed which sucked vulnerable egos into the idea that sex with a young teenager was a thrill to be pursued.
At the time they would almost certainly either not believed or dismissed as willing participants. Esther Ranzen is quoted as saying that such allegations were common at the time and were colluded with – not disbelieved, just not treated as anything worth making a fuss about.
By the time the public and the media took paedophilia more seriously, the victims were getting on with their lives, even then the seriousness of what had happened might not have hit them.
We all know the media doesn’t simply discover and report facts and it’s likely some ‘influence’ was brought to bear on the victims to go public. If the story is true, then for them it’s a no-win situation: if they had come forward while he was alive, they would have been accused of ruining the life and career of a much loved old man and it would probably have been put down to being able to sue him privately later.
They let him live out his life and come forward when the financial gains are much smaller and are disbelieved because they didn’t do it while he was alive to defend himself.
I have known this man since Top of the Pops in the 1960s. I have seen Jim’ll Fix It. I have noticed the way he handles his cigars.
I say….
let’s dig ‘im up and ‘ang ‘im
@sceptical guy wrote:
I have known this man since Top of the Pops in the 1960s. I have seen Jim’ll Fix It. I have noticed the way he handles his cigars.
I say….
let’s dig ‘im up and ‘ang ‘im
Did he remind you of Bill Clinton?! :lol:
There was a young nurse, petite, pretty, who was proud to get a job nursing in the spinal injuries unit at Stoke Mandeville Hospital. One day there was a buzz around the unit, Jimmy Saville, one of her childhood heroes, was coming to visit. She asked if she’d be able to meet him and one of the more senior nurses tried to discourage her but she persisted.
When Jimmy arrived, he was just like the man she’d watched on TV, larger than life, outgoing, a smile and a hug for everyone. She didn’t notice at the time but realised later that not everyone was happy to get a hug from Jimmy. She was busying herself with some housekeeping in one of the side rooms when Jimmy came in. She was flattered when he commented that she was a pretty young thing, she was new here wasn’t she? He said how he thought the nurses were wonderful, absolute angels, come here and let me give you a hug to say thank you for the work you do. Only it wasn’t just a hug. Shocked, she told herself that she’d imagined it, that she’d misunderstood, that his hand had slipped, it was an accident…after all, this was Jimmy Saville, that wonderful man from the TV who did so much charity work. Try as she might though, she couldn’t explain it away.
Later in the day she confided in one of the nurses who had been there for a while who said “oh, you’ve had one of Jimmy’s special hugs…well yes you would, he has an eye for the younger nurses, the younger they look the better.” She was shocked – this had happened to others too? Yes, regularly, but everyone turned a blind eye, after all, he did so much for the hospital so we have to be nice to him and it’s not like he comes in every day after all…
That night she went home feeling dirty, used, but thought back to the words of the other nurse and thought oh well, it was a one-off, I’m new there too, best not to make a fuss…and she let it go.
Several weeks later there was a buzz again, Jimmy was coming in to cheer up the patients. She resolved to give him a wide berth but he found her – she had the feeling that he’d actually sought her out but he couldn’t be sure. Once again she got a “special hug”, once again she froze. She said if it had been anyone else she’d have knee’d them in the groin but this was Jimmy Saville, you didn’t do that to Jimmy Saville did you?
This time she took the issue to her manager. She explained what had happened both times and how disturbing she found it and how she didn’t know how to deal with it because of who he was…could she have some advice please? The advice was to “go home and forget all about it, after all Jimmy has done so much for the hospital and helps us raise our profile and funds, we can’t really begrudge him a hug from time to time can we? Anyway, how are you enjoying it here at Stoke Mandeville? Remind me, have you completed your probationary period yet?”
True story. The nurse in question learnt to always be with patients when he came so he couldn’t do anything untoward. One of those patients was a friend of mine who spent 12 months in traction at Stoke Mandeville after breaking his neck then another 6 months whilst learning to cope with his new life.
Jimmy Saville was a man who took advantage of his position. He got away with it while he was alive simply because of who he was, placed on the “national treasure” pedestal and made untouchable. He did many good things with his life but he wasn’t perfect. The shame of it is that those that did get taken advantage of didn’t feel able to do anything about it.
He may not be able to defend himself now he’s dead but the victims couldn’t defend themselves when he was alive. They would have been vilified…but we’re not supposed to speak ill of the dead are we, regardless of what they did when alive, but I guess they’ll be vilified now for speaking out. All they’ve ever wanted was to be heard and for someone to believe them.
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