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@terry wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
@terry wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
Evasion is illegal, avoidance isn’t.
What exactly is the difference?
Evasion = Ken Dodd & Lester Piggott
Avoidance = Jimmy Carr
That is not answering the question, as well you know…
So, are you avoiding it or merely evading it..?Avoid means you use a legal loophole to reduce your full tax liability.
Evade means you deliberately and illegally do not pay tax on all or some of your income.
I think the ‘witch hunt’ towards jimmy carr is out of order, sure he found a legal way of not paying as much tax but then how many of us wouldnt?
how many of those here who are shouting ‘disgustin’ etc have never done the ‘booze cruise’ or bought back tax free cigarettes, or had things cheaper that have ‘fallen off the back of a lorry’ and yet dont have a mark on them lol.
my point is , the government should just close the loophole and let folk get on with it , i dont think jimmy carr should be singled out in this way….
@cath 55 wrote:
I think the ‘witch hunt’ towards jimmy carr is out of order, sure he found a legal way of not paying as much tax but then how many of us wouldnt?
how many of those here who are shouting ‘disgustin’ etc have never done the ‘booze cruise’ or bought back tax free cigarettes, or had things cheaper that have ‘fallen off the back of a lorry’ and yet dont have a mark on them lol.
my point is , the government should just close the loophole and let folk get on with it , i dont think jimmy carr should be singled out in this way….
I agree cath… and I think David Cameron will regret the can of worms he has opened… as jen said earlier in this thread….. I just hope that he and his ministers are squeaky clean as far as their tax is concerned because journalists will be crawling all over their returns….. time will tell :?
I’m not a fan of Jimmy Carr’s work…I find his humour a tad OTT …but I back his corner on this issue….well I say I back his corner..he has done nothing but apologise for this tax issue…which I feel he doesn’t need to…
I was watching 8 out of 10 cats last night….I don’t normally watch it…but for obvious reasons I did and also it was recoreded the day before and was in paper etc…
Anyway all Jimmy did was apologise for what he did….the other celebrities on the show, I thought handled the whole situation amazingly well and with great humour…But it left me thinking that Jimmy has done other things that will come out shortly, things that aren’t so “legal”…that’s why he is trying to handle the situation as he is…who knows I probably am wrong…I’ve never had good instincts :lol:
I’m pretty sure this whole tax loophole was created by wealthy politicians for politicians. Let’s face it, does anyone trust a politician anyway?
It’s just wonderful how a corrupt system has been exposed and once again has shown how the people in power are in it for what they can get.
@mrs_teapot wrote:
@cath 55 wrote:
I think the ‘witch hunt’ towards jimmy carr is out of order, sure he found a legal way of not paying as much tax but then how many of us wouldnt?
how many of those here who are shouting ‘disgustin’ etc have never done the ‘booze cruise’ or bought back tax free cigarettes, or had things cheaper that have ‘fallen off the back of a lorry’ and yet dont have a mark on them lol.
my point is , the government should just close the loophole and let folk get on with it , i dont think jimmy carr should be singled out in this way….
I agree cath… and I think David Cameron will regret the can of worms he has opened… as jen said earlier in this thread….. I just hope that he and his ministers are squeaky clean as far as their tax is concerned because journalists will be crawling all over their returns….. time will tell :?
Me too!
The difference between Jimmy Carr and most of the rest of us is not principle or integrity but lack of opportunity.
We exploit the difference between what is morally right and what is legal to suit our own ends.
@a certain sadness wrote:
The difference between Jimmy Carr and most of the rest of us is not principle or integrity but lack of opportunity.
We exploit the difference between what is morally right and what is legal to suit our own ends.
Too true.
Like MPs expenses. Most of them were legal, it just left a nasty taste in people’s mouths. Who wouldn’t claim what they could under their employers policies?
Not a way we like to look at ourselves. We would never try to get something for nothing or get more for ourselves at the expense of others. We would never rob the big guy not thinking about the consequences for other little guys like us. We wouldn’t even consider it. Wouldn’t we?
Mmmmmmm…………………………..
“Let he who is without guilt” or of pure thought “cast the first stone”.
:?
I’ve never done a booze cruise but have bought duty free cigarettes and alcohol.
There are some valid points such as what Carr did is not illegal and so why should he apologise?
Cameron has also avoided answering questions on Gary Barlow who has used the same K2 scheme but I suspect he has escaped criticism due to his Royal connections.
How many of us, if we had the knowledge and means would not do the same as Carr? Lots of us don’t have the means as we are on PAYE or not rich enough to pay a good financial advisor.
These loopholes were set up for the rich by the rich.
Why however, should those that do well pay more tax?
How to find a happy medium is not going to please all the people.
The tax system needs overhauling to make it more fair and proprtionate.
A quarter of my income, possibly more, goes on tax and NI.
Does a quarter of Jimmy Carr’s and Gary Barlow’s? I don’t know.
If it doesn’t and they pay less, then that is where I find it morally unacceptable.
I also think that higher earners should pay more tax, but there should be more tiers to make it fairer all round.
Maybe we also need to change our attitude towards tax. Part of the resentment towards taxation comes from the partly-justified idea that rulers take tax from the rules to spend on golden castles, pomp and ego-enhancing standing armies.
Our modern welfare state delivers so much more yet we feel hard done by. I read somewhere that the happiest nations are the Scandinavian countries with their high tax/high care regimes. But rather than resent this, it seems the people feel ‘cared for’ (they have one word for it). Perhaps their famously parsimonious heads of state reflect this regard for the public good.
It might also explain why Cameron’s statement earlier this year that maybe we shouldn’t just measure economic success but happiness was such a one-off.
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