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24 November, 2009 at 9:35 am #424669
@cas wrote:
I think as PB might say, this has been maybe a little whipped up by the ‘Sun’ newspaper.
Ok, while it may be a little irresponsible to have that many kids, it also says that the father of these children does work, which in itself is more than can be said for some. It says that the benefits they receive are working family tax credits and family allowance, which actually, every working family with children receive, so if they’re the only benefits they are receiving, then they’re not receiving anything they’re not entitled to are they.
It doesn’t say anything about them receiving any other benefits so it’s another one of those I think where theres more to it than first thought.
Oh well, if they aren’t getting anything they’re not entitled to then that makes it ok then?
Do the maths Carol £5000 on Christmas presents just for the kids! That’s nearly £400 each courtesy of the tax payer coz sure as hell she wouldn’t be banging kids out like that if they had to survive on his wages. Here’s another thought she could always go out & get a job to help support these kids she insists on having!24 November, 2009 at 9:39 am #424670Cas, I think you have hit the nail right on the head here. Remember the Media usually has an interest in promoting its own agenda and will often shamelessly distort the ‘facts’ in a ‘story’ (or only selectively report them) in order to make its point.
Bottom line is that they constantly need to increase their circulation (i.e. sell more papers) and are as relentlessly driven by a desire for profits as any other commercial organisation.
That said, I find it interesting that little if any criticism is ever directed at Roman Catholic couples who refuse to practice contraception on religious grounds and consequently amongst whom large families are the ‘norm’.
After all, a headline saying “Roman Catholic couples in benefits grab” will probably alienate a substantial number of readers – more than would be gained by the ‘story being published in that way.
24 November, 2009 at 9:41 am #424671@forumhostpb wrote:
Cas, I think you have hit the nail right on the head here. Remember the Media usually has an interest in promoting its own agenda and will often shamelessly distort the ‘facts’ in a ‘story’ (or only selectively report them) in order to make its point.
Bottom line is that they constantly need to increase their circulation (i.e. sell more papers) and are as relentlessly driven by a desire for profits as any other commercial organisation.
That said, I find it interesting that little if any criticism is ever directed at Roman Catholic couples who refuse to practice contraception on religious grounds and consequently amongst whom large families are the ‘norm’.
After all, a headline saying “Roman Catholic couples in benefits grab” will probably alienate a substantial number of readers – more than would be gained by the ‘story being published in that way.
Right on cue. :roll:24 November, 2009 at 9:56 am #424672her reasons must be more than the fact she wants twins!…do “normal” people actually yearn for twins?…i find that hard to believe…or is twins the new must have accessory?
as for benefits Woohoo….there is no shame in claiming benefits when you lose a job or become unable to work for whatever reason…that is what they are there for…its the minority of benefit cheats most have a problem with
24 November, 2009 at 12:28 pm #424673Whilst I think her reasons for having all these children are a tad…shall we say…unusual, I don’t see that she’s doing anything wrong or deserves condemnation.
Her husband works. I can think of other (smaller) families where the husband has given up work saying it’s to help look after the kids whilst in reality it’s to qualify for more benefits that would be more than he’d earn working. Credit to them for that.
She is very focused on keeping a clean house…which is more than you can say for some. Credit to them for that.
They live in a three bedroom house…I have no idea how they manage that!…they haven’t put pressure on the council to rehome them somewhere larger and grander as some people have done. Credit to them for that.
They claim family allowance and working tax credits, to which they are perfectly entitled, no other benefits. Whilst it seems like a lot of money, it’s what they are entitled to, the way the Government rewards people for having children. They’re not claiming for anything they’re not entitled to, or playing the system. Credit to them for that.
She says herself that she saved throughout the year for the money to spend on the Christmas presents otherwise it would have been a struggle – sounds sensible to me. Credit to them for that.
It seems to me that the only thing that you have to wonder about is the number of children, one a year, the strain that is putting on her body, and the reasons behind it.
24 November, 2009 at 12:30 pm #424674She (and him but it’s her body) needs her head examining but it’s her choice
24 November, 2009 at 12:31 pm #42467524 November, 2009 at 1:24 pm #424676You seem to have maybe missed the part where I did actually say Sarah, that ‘while it may have been a little irresponsible” etc etc.,
As for the taxpayers paying her working family tax credits and child allowance, isn’t it those same taxpayers who also pay your childrens?
As for ‘right on cue’ :roll: I merely happened to say that I thought it was something PB may say. Given that he has, doesn’t mean I asked him to, maybe you think otherwise :roll:
24 November, 2009 at 8:14 pm #424677@cas wrote:
You seem to have maybe missed the part where I did actually say Sarah, that ‘while it may have been a little irresponsible” etc etc.,
As for the taxpayers paying her working family tax credits and child allowance, isn’t it those same taxpayers who also pay your childrens?
As for ‘right on cue’ :roll: I merely happened to say that I thought it was something PB may say. Given that he has, doesn’t mean I asked him to, maybe you think otherwise :roll:
My children have NOTHING to do with it Carol so please leave them out of this.
I work, but the point you seem to miss is child benefit. £20 a wk for 1st child & £13.20 for every subsequent child is paid to every family with children.
Working family tax credit however is means tested the more kids you have the more you get & unless you are lucky enough to be in the high earner bracket in which case you get diddly. It did after all replace the married mans tax allowance to encourage mums with families to return to work.
If their award wasn’t so high she wouldn’t be able to save enough to afford a lavish christmas. Yet she says she won’t stop having kids until she gets twins. Chances are she’s not going to have them. There’s enough people struggling to conceive 1 child & she keeps going on the off chance she’ll get a multiple pregnancy. That’s HER choice so let HER provide the income required to fund HER decision them.I don’t recall ever mentioning anything about the way she keeps house so that point you raise is insignificant.
Pardon me for thinking her irresponsible. Not mention as has been raised the impact all these pregnancies might have on her health. God forbid it should happen but who’s going to look after all these kids if anything went wrong?
My other comment merely meant that sometimes Carol you run with the hare & sometimes you run with the hunt so to speak. :?
No offence intended but like you we are all entitled to a veiw without being attacked.24 November, 2009 at 8:59 pm #424678There’s enough people struggling to conceive 1 child & she keeps going on the off chance she’ll get a multiple pregnancy. That’s HER choice so let HER provide the income required to fund HER decision them.
Well Said Sarah..
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