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Some of you may remember a woman called Dawn Annandale, aged 39. She took the literary world by storm 2 years ago with her book called Call Me Elizabeth This was a story about how she was driven to prostitution, and pretty awful stuff it was too.
Well yesterday she was sentenced to 120 days in prison (suspended for 18 months) ; 200 hours of community work and she also had to pay £5,000 compensation to the Police and £100 Court costs.
Her crime???
Last year she claimed that an intruder broke into her home in Hawkinge, Kent and raped her. Naturally, the Police took this seriously and a huge investigation got underway. Loads of men were questioned, homes were searched and so on and so forth. The inquiriy cost over £15,000.
In court yesterday she admitted that she had made up the entire thing so as to delay a debt collection hearing against her, and to get some public sympathy.
OK so maybe she was a demented woman using the rape laws to make an allegation. But the question is ….. how many other women make false allegations of rape???
Unless the physical evidence of violence is undeniable, how can society be sure that a woman’s claim of rape is real – as opposed to attention seeking, or the desire for revenge?
Its a good question. A few years ago when it all came out about footballers raping, well i said right from the start it wasnt true. Thing is now a days its all too easy for women to shout RAPE! I feel sorry for the women who really are raped. Purely because they are probably questioned more now than ever because police have to make sure they are truthful because of liars.
Its so annoying. It blemishes every real rape crime for real victims to try and get justice. Everybody nowadays, where the suspect is known always says there is no smoke without fire.
I often wonder if they should update the rape laws and have two or three classes of rape. But the lines inbetween are so thin it would take years to get through parliament so what would be the point?
Maybe they could give the accused (male) the same privilege of anonymity as the accuser ??? (female).
Females who cry rape falsely ought to face the same term of imprisonment as convicted rapists.
@forumhostpb wrote:
Maybe they could give the accused (male) the same privilege of anonymity as the accuser ??? (female).
Females who cry rape falsely ought to face the same term of imprisonment as convicted rapists.
I agree. Cos convicted rapists go to jail for a really long time dont they? :wink:
For most of us, sex is something we just do (badly) and if a person says “no” we can soon find someone who will say “yes”.
Unless you’re married and then it’s normal to hear the words “ you’re joking right?”
Some times you do have physical sex and you do get hurt, drunken grabbing which can lead to bruising and damage on both sides.
Frost bite too, the odd ban from Marks and Sparks.
I think it’s very hard to prove “rape” in court.
But you should remember that most of the time, the police find it hard to bring the case to court because the “women” backs down or changes her mind and can’t face her attacker again.
Men too are the same, after all what man in his right mind would stand up in court and say he has been raped?
When we think about rape, we all think of some poor women being pined down in some dark place and being forced into sex by a stranger.
That’s not true most of the time, its normal someone they know, in there own homes.
But male rape is normal done in a public place like a pub toilet, or a park.
And the main difference is the way the police handle it, women are treated has a victim of a crime, men are treated has a joke or a “gay” who had a “handbag flight with his b/f” and is trying to get even.
Back when I was younger, and still working for the UNHCR, I saw rape being use has a weapon of war.
It sickened me then, when women and men where not believe.
I am not surprises by Miss Dawn Annandale actions, most people see themselves has of kind of victim.
It’s a hard job for the police trying to sort out lies from the truth and they do get it wrong sometimes.
So when you ask me why think Miss Annandale’s actions were wrong, the answers a simple one, its put people off reporting rape.
There always a feeling in the back of a persons mind they will not believed by the police, this can’t help that.
The facts are simple, if a person had been raped; it never goes away for the victim, but for the attacker, its was just sex and soon forgotten.
You have to understand why police can name someone who’s an alleged rapist, offend there person has done it more than once.
There are a few cases where women have only come forward after a rape because of publicly around a court case.
But we all know that most men who rape women or men do get away with it, and unless we find a better way of convicting them, our current system will have to stay.
Trying to understand if PB’s answers are tongue in cheek or not.
Interestingly- would PB have started a thread which said “Is peadophilia a 21st century crime” and listed the same rationale- its usually one word against another, isnt it?
@slayer wrote:
Trying to understand if PB’s answers are tongue in cheek or not.
Interestingly- would PB have started a thread which said “Is peadophilia a 21st century crime” and listed the same rationale- its usually one word against another, isnt it?
Interesting point Slayer. Paedophilia has probably always been with us I suspect, but in recent years it has attracted universal revulsion – and quite rightly so in my view.
I think the obvious difference in the way that the law operates is that a male and a female can indulge in consenting sex together without any major issues whereas this cannot be the case with a child. In other words paedophilia can NEVER be legal under any circumstances so the issue of consent can never arise.
However with allegations of rape, there is a huge ”grey area” surrounding the issue of consent. Was it actually given??? Was it given and then withdrawn???
Geoff’s point is also an excellent one. The current thinking is to question whether the female had the capacity to consent at the time she allegedly did so. In other words was she so drunk that she did not consent or indeed was incapable of consenting.
We can all get our brains round the occasion where a female has a drug like Rohypnol administered to her (usually without her knowledge) and is rendered utterly incapable of giving consent. Sex under these circumstances would clearly be rape.
But what if she simply goes out for a binge drinking session, gets utterly drunk and then fancies a shag. OK so some guy gets lucky – or perhaps unlucky as if she says she can’t remember anything and that she was raped then he faces potentially life imprisonment on her word alone.
Either way he gets named in the media and his reputation is shattered – even if he was totally innocent of the charge.
I agree that the playing field should be level
No names, of either party, should be published unless proven guilty
No sexual history of either party should be admissable in court.My point, laboured as it was, is that both scenarios (rape and child abuse) tend to rely on circumstantial evidence (one word against another) with little else. Child abuse is a very emotive subject but one which should be discussed none the less
A defence lawyer is not interested in innocence or guilt but simply interested in seeing “justice” (ie every box ticked, every form filled, every detail examined etc) being done- hence we see rapists and paedophiles go free in the name of justice. But any attempt to resolve the problem means a move towards less proof of guilt. It is a good question to ask society, “do you accept some innocent men, or women, will be incarcerated if you know it means more guilty men will be locked up”?
I have always worked on the basis that if the woman was incapable of actually acknowledging my di/ck inside her then perhaps this was not a two way interaction but a one way violation.
Of course, I have always argued that a level of responsibility is required from both men and women who drink themselves to oblivion then complain they experienced something they didn’t wish to happen- you wouldnt drive with your eyes shut and then complain, after a care has hit you, that you didnt see it coming!
I’m known for my fair & just politics.
I believe in a fair justice system.
Hang rapists.
Hang women who pretend they’ve been raped.
There’s ya equal opportunities ya damn bra burning lesbian feminists.
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