Iran’s shame

@pikey wrote:

I’ve noticed that the media spotlight has been turned on the Persians and I too suspect that may be because military action is being considered by the allies of Britain.

However, that notwithstanding, evil like the stoning of slags, and some of my fondest acquaintances are slags, should not be ignored or accepted.

hahaha!!

A despotic law is a despotic law, regardless of where it originates. As freeborn Britons, we should be at liberty to voice our dismay and disgust in exactly the same way as we should be free to voice our distaste at the latest execution of a criminal in Texas. It doesn’t mean we necessarily want Britain to go to war with either territory. Separation of the issues is called for.

Would we expect Persians to remain quiet if Britain passed a law forcing all Muslims in the realm to kiss a dog’s backside upon rising and eat a mandatory bacon sandwich every day on pain of death by gay dominatrix? I suspect we could expect what ever we fancied. They would quite rightly be outraged and be vehement in that outrage. Everyone just has to remember it works both ways.

Agree :)

You go away for a couple of day’s and all hell breaks loose!

:?

Yes, we are all allowed to have a point of view about what happens outside our little island, just as those outside can have a point of view about us. What we shouldn’t be doing is imposing our will on other cultures or having the expectation that their idea of civilised is the same as ours.

That being said, I have always thought that the introduction of the death penalty in the UK is one of the few things I would go on the streets to demonstrate against (even though it seems that the majority of nice peace-loving British people would like to hanging return). If the state is the embodiment of our community, and is there to protect us, I do not think that taking life through the death penalty is justified. I do not believe in an eye for an eye. We need to demonstrate care even for the most damaged. Anger begets anger, fear begets fear, and hatred begets hatred.

One thing that confuses me though is – if you live somewhere, are committed to your community, and pay the taxes, do you not have the right to comment, participate and be heard? No need to have a racial origin outside the UK for that to be a problem. I am a white male and live in a part of the country I did not grow up in. That, in itself, is sometimes enough to stop you commenting or taking part fully because you are not the “real deal”. Sadly that is true to some extent almost everywhere in the world you go.

All views should be able to be expressed, even if they are not shared by the majority and not therefore welcomed by them. So often the people asked to “go home” were born here, as were their parents (and their parents before them). As such a British Asian or a British Muslim often has more right to demonstrate and be heard here in the UK than in, say, Pakistan. And if they are of Pakistani origin, despite the fact they may not pay Pakistani taxes, they of course, even as a British resident, have the right to support or to take a different view to the elected government of Pakistan, as many on these message boards have. The Pakistani government opposes the widespread introduction of Sharia Law for criminal cases and is committed to a very bloody war against the Taliban, in which many thousand more Pakistanis have died than the few British soldiers we grieve in Afghanistan. (I have family in the army so I do not say that lightly.) What works for Turkey doesn’t work for Iran or Malaysia. Does it all mean that there is no unified Muslim conspiracy against the West and no unified Western conspiracy against Muslims? Oh no – how could we all survive without all the suspicion and hatred? Perhaps without killing each other for a start.

I don’t agree with Sharia Law being introduced in the UK, except by full joint consent in civil matters, just like mediation as part of divorce. It is my right to have that view. What I do not wish to stop however is British people, of whatever race, expressing a view opposing mine and seeking the introduction of Sharia Law. Whether they are successful is, of course, another matter – but to demonstrate in a democratic country – that can’t be wrong.

Now that we can all feel the love in the room (yes, Darius Danesh did grow up just down the road from me), can I just say that I deplore the recently announced public spending cuts on the grounds that they will harm economic growth the most vulnerable in our society.

Cameron, Clegg, – GO HOME ! !
:lol:

@sarah 30 wrote:

One question.

To you.

Would you, in the name of justice (your word – not mine..), throw the first stone in the execution of this woman?

To ANSWER YOUR question, NO i wouldn’t ! It might astonish you to know that i do have a sense of compassion, on the other hand, there is no excuse in anyway shape or form to commit adultery. I might suggest you concentrate your energy on educating the world in how to be faithful and lead their lives with a high degree of fidelity. I myself would lash this woman publicly for her adultery, i might add that i do not consider holding hands of another while taken to be adulterous but, obviously the woman lacks dignity if this is what she has done.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Well, I would say it’s a brutal punishment from brutal people in a brutal system. You might get a perverse kick out of lashing women Gaz, but most people dont.

:wink: