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“They have become so shameless regarding the subject of human rights that they have turned the case of Sakineh Ashtiani, who has committed murder and betrayal, into a human rights issue and are using it against our nation,” Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast told the ISNA news agency.
“This case has been turned into a symbol of seeking freedom for women in the West and they are shamelessly demanding her freedom. They are, therefore, trying to turn an ordinary (court) case into a lever to pressure our nation.”
Ashtiani initially was sentenced to death by stoning for adultery. The Iranian government later said she was also convicted of murdering her husband, but her lawyer and family dispute that.
She won’t do that again in a hurry will she ? If she is guilty that is !
It always amuses me when such matters are only ever considered spotlight worthy when Western media deem it so.
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Nothing new…. their deluded, sexist understanding of Shariah Law has been lived and served by for many years! They have remained, according to the Western world, as unjust and inhumane… I don’t remember such an outcry when a man was convicted to death by stoning for adultery in March 2005 (I think) …. as the woman involved in the act “repented” and was excused.Is this just a step for a mental preparation towards the anti Iran world? An attempt to prepare us for another Iraq? Highlighting raw nerve provoking issues in their country in order for another justifiable or deserving war?
:-kNot keen on stoning. In fact I don’t agree with the death penalty full stop, however plenty of countries out there practice it, including many states of the USA.
Am more concerned about the suppression of anti-government protests in Iran. If people are concerned about the lot of women in Iran, it is worth reflecting that internal political change is likely to make more difference than the Western governments or civil rights groups wagging a finger of disapproval.
People need to find their own way or it is just resented – often with widespread loss of life, as efforts at regime change have shown in recent years. I’d love to change the world to be the way I would like it but I don’t know whether that is possible or indeed desirable when it comes to someone else’s culture.
Wouldn’t worry too much about another war – or rather us starting it – we wont have the right armed forces soon anyway.
Oh dear – I appear to have turned into a tired old realist. Many apologies to those who still have the courage of their own convictions.
:?“I’d love to change the world to be the way I would like it but I don’t know whether that is possible or indeed desirable when it comes to someone else’s culture. “
And that is the point… that Iran’s Culture whether by any other standards is “right” or “wrong” has always been in place. So why the limelight now? And on an issue which has been echoed by many for many years.
“Wouldn’t worry too much about another war – or rather us starting it – we wont have the right armed forces soon anyway. “
I resent this statement.. I will worry about another war…. history, at this rate will eventually repeat itself as mass human life and flesh will be taken away in vain. I am merely highlighting that this could be another path to destruction and the illusion of gained power. We all know.. should know… how political manipulation works by now.
“The media is a Counter-Intelligence organisation. The media backs every war. The role of the media and embedded historians is to surround the truth with a bodyguard of lies”
I believe the constant Iran attention is the cat waiting to pounce.“Oh dear – I appear to have turned into a tired old realist. Many apologies to those who still have the courage of their own convictions.”
:?“realism” is your delusion planted.
@cherriepie wrote:
“I’d love to change the world to be the way I would like it but I don’t know whether that is possible or indeed desirable when it comes to someone else’s culture. “
And that is the point… that Iran’s Culture whether by any other standards is “right” or “wrong” has always been in place. So why the limelight now? And on an issue which has been echoed by many for many years.
“Wouldn’t worry too much about another war – or rather us starting it – we wont have the right armed forces soon anyway. “
I resent this statement.. I will worry about another war…. history, at this rate will eventually repeat itself as mass human life and flesh will be taken away in vain. I am merely highlighting that this could be another path to destruction and the illusion of gained power. We all know.. should know… how political manipulation works by now.
“The media is a Counter-Intelligence organisation. The media backs every war. The role of the media and embedded historians is to surround the truth with a bodyguard of lies”
I believe the constant Iran attention is the cat waiting to pounce.“Oh dear – I appear to have turned into a tired old realist. Many apologies to those who still have the courage of their own convictions.”
:?“realism” is your delusion planted.
You missed the main point Momentaryloss was making there Cherrypie:
“Am more concerned about the suppression of anti-government protests in Iran. If people are concerned about the lot of women in Iran, it is worth reflecting that internal political change is likely to make more difference than the Western governments or civil rights groups wagging a finger of disapproval”
I wholeheartedly agree Momentary.. well said!
Cherrypie missing that part of the post negates all you said in yours… least thats my view. Its so easy to leave parts of a post out to fuel your own beliefs, or make a point based on incomplete information
Teapot
@mrs_teapot wrote:
@cherriepie wrote:
“I’d love to change the world to be the way I would like it but I don’t know whether that is possible or indeed desirable when it comes to someone else’s culture. “
And that is the point… that Iran’s Culture whether by any other standards is “right” or “wrong” has always been in place. So why the limelight now? And on an issue which has been echoed by many for many years.
“Wouldn’t worry too much about another war – or rather us starting it – we wont have the right armed forces soon anyway. “
I resent this statement.. I will worry about another war…. history, at this rate will eventually repeat itself as mass human life and flesh will be taken away in vain. I am merely highlighting that this could be another path to destruction and the illusion of gained power. We all know.. should know… how political manipulation works by now.
“The media is a Counter-Intelligence organisation. The media backs every war. The role of the media and embedded historians is to surround the truth with a bodyguard of lies”
I believe the constant Iran attention is the cat waiting to pounce.“Oh dear – I appear to have turned into a tired old realist. Many apologies to those who still have the courage of their own convictions.”
:?“realism” is your delusion planted.
You missed the main point Momentaryloss was making there Cherrypie:
“Am more concerned about the suppression of anti-government protests in Iran. If people are concerned about the lot of women in Iran, it is worth reflecting that internal political change is likely to make more difference than the Western governments or civil rights groups wagging a finger of disapproval”
I wholeheartedly agree Momentary.. well said!
Cherrypie missing that part of the post negates all you said in yours… least thats my view. Its so easy to leave parts of a post out to fuel your own beliefs, or make a point based on incomplete information
Teapot
I did not disagree with that statement…or any other statement momentaryloss made… apart from the I shouldn’t worry about war…the paragraph you quoted ended. I fuelled my argument based on my own thoughts not incomplete at all… it was an elaboration not rebellion.
I know what you mean about war, Cherriepie. I suppose when I said about not having to worry I was making a slightly cheap point about the recent armed services review, rather than staying on topic.
Sadly there are those who demonise other countries or exagerate their threat to justify war.
@momentaryloss wrote:
I know what you mean about war, Cherriepie. I suppose when I said about not having to worry I was making a slightly cheap point about the recent armed services review, rather than staying on topic.
Sadly there are those who demonise other countries or exagerate their threat to justify war.
Right on momentaryloss :wink:
If this woman is guilty of crimes, she must expect the penalty for that. What is the meaning of the thread ? Yes Iran has the death penalty in place like many countries. The bottom line is, she committed a crime and upon capture and conviction carries the death penalty, whether the death penalty is right or wrong is a totally different debate.
We just have to look at the reception Ahmadinejad received when he returned from Lebanon recently to see just how the Iranian people are so suppressed. The best use for newspapers and indeed the whole of western media would be far better served in public toilets…. The streets were absolutely packed to welcome their leader. Not unlike the days when the shah was deposed and the streets came to life. A similar reception occurred on his visit to Lebanon also.
As far as I concerned, if this woman commit crime then she must expect to dealt Justice for that crime, quite simply, not committing a crime that invokes the death penalty, would be worth considering ! :roll:
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