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29 June, 2012 at 7:51 am #17810
Talhotblond is a documentary released in December 2009.
The movie details an Internet love triangle which resulted in a real life homicide, in a case called the “Internet Chatroom Murder”. Thomas Montgomery (screen name: marinesniper), a 47-year-old married man, pleaded guilty to murdering his co-worker, 22-year-old Brian Barrett (screen name: beefcake). The two men were involved in a love triangle with “Jessi”, a beautiful 18 year old girl whose screen name was talhotblond. While the two men knew each other from work, neither ever met “Jessi” in person. Ultimately, the truth comes to light. “Jessi” was a real person, but it was her mother, Mary Shieler, who was posing as her daughter online as “talhotblond.” Jessi was unaware of her mother’s actions.
Brian Barrett’s parents are now fighting for “Internet accountability” laws, in the hopes that it would make Mary Shieler’s actions illegal(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talhotblond)
Anyone who frequents chatrooms and has not seen this should watch it!…………it makes you sit back and think…….SCARY stuff!!!
Opinions on internet accountability please????
29 June, 2012 at 8:38 am #500254Heard about this ages ago, what the mother did was wrong and quite sad but she didnt kill anyone.
She took / used her daughters idienty but thats it – if two men want to fight and kill each other thats their problem, she didnt ask him to kill him.Depends on what someone has done or said as to should they be held accountable.
Take look at all the “firemen” & “policemen” in the room, if your chatting to one of these in the room and you see a fire or crime and they dont ring their collegues do you sue them for pretending to be firemen or policemen – NO, so because the mother pretended to be younger and gave a different picture its still not her fault one man killed another.
29 June, 2012 at 1:17 pm #500255i seen this a while ago it was very disturbing, allthough i watched a better one called ”dear zachary” which is kind of the same theme. there are deceitful people out there, be smart
29 June, 2012 at 1:32 pm #500256I think it would be impossible to make the Internet accountable…. its not the Internet that is at fault anyway its the people who use it.
I have never understood people fabricating alternate lives here. The pilot is really a plumber and that 30 odd year old beautiful woman is really a bored fat older woman …. crazy isn’t it… happens though and as long as you accept that as the norm here … you will be OK.
Its a shame that the two men involved had not learned this lesson…two lives ruined….the woman has to live with the results of her deception…. but the parents of the man who died will probably be baffled by it all…. I dont think blaming the net is the answer though…. very sad case.
29 June, 2012 at 1:57 pm #500257It’s not the internet that’s to blame, it’s the people and yes, I think people should be accountable for their actions. We should all expect to be held responsible for our actions regardless of whether they are in person, by email, in chatrooms, by telephone, by text or by letter or any other form of communication you can think of.
As I understand it this woman set two men against each other and played them until one killed the other. If she had done that in person she would be facing criminal charges as an accessory to murder. It may have been over the internet but the actions were the same, the end result the same so why not the punishment?
Too many people hide behind the internet doing things that they would never do in real life then say “it’s only words on a screen”…but words have power.
29 June, 2012 at 3:01 pm #500258@jen_jen wrote:
It’s not the internet that’s to blame, it’s the people and yes, I think people should be accountable for their actions. We should all expect to be held responsible for our actions regardless of whether they are in person, by email, in chatrooms, by telephone, by text or by letter or any other form of communication you can think of.
As I understand it this woman set two men against each other and played them until one killed the other. If she had done that in person she would be facing criminal charges as an accessory to murder. It may have been over the internet but the actions were the same, the end result the same so why not the punishment?
Too many people hide behind the internet doing things that they would never do in real life then say “it’s only words on a screen”…but words have power.
yep…….agree with everything here ………..everything can be traced back to you so……expect some time if you do the crime
29 June, 2012 at 3:28 pm #500259but thats the thing SHE didnt do anything wrong LEGALLY.
She lied thats morally wrong but not illegal.
She didnt ask for one man to kill another and most likely didnt think it would come to that.
In this case no she should not be punished for lying on the net, she has to live with her daughter not trusting her, noone trusting her and the death of a young man – but she didnt ask for his death or pay for it to happen.
Sometimes when ppl are being bullied etc then yeah ok but not for lying about herself.
29 June, 2012 at 4:05 pm #500260@irish_lucy wrote:
but thats the thing SHE didnt do anything wrong LEGALLY.
Which is why the victims parents are trying to get the law changed,
She didn’t just lie about herself did she? She spun a web of lies that involved an innocent party, playing on someones jealousy until it culminated in murder. Why should she not be punished for that?
If, in a face to face relationship with man A, she had lied and set up man B, playing on man A’s jealousy, then continued that lie and provoked man A into such a state that he killed man B, she would be charged with being an accessory to murder.
Because it all happened online, it isn’t illegal, hence the victim’s parents’ fighting for “Internet Accountability” laws.
@irish_lucy wrote:
In this case no she should not be punished for lying on the net, she has to live with her daughter not trusting her, noone trusting her and the death of a young man – but she didnt ask for his death or pay for it to happen.
Question: if this had happened face to face (obviously she couldn’t pretend to be her teenage daughter but let’s say she took someone else’s identity, say a sister or close friend) would you say the same?
How can something that isn’t acceptable in a face to face situation be acceptable in an online situation? Whether it’s this case, online bullying, goading someone to commit suicide , threatening behaviour…if it’s not acceptable face to face then it shouldn’t be acceptable online should it?
29 June, 2012 at 4:19 pm #500261Actually jen… thinking about it maybe you are right… there should be a law about misrepresenting yourself here…. I have no idea how that could be implemented or if its possible but if it were I would be in favour of it.
29 June, 2012 at 5:44 pm #500262@jen_jen wrote:
How can something that isn’t acceptable in a face to face situation be acceptable in an online situation? Whether it’s this case, online bullying, goading someone to commit suicide , threatening behaviour…if it’s not acceptable face to face then it shouldn’t be acceptable online should it?
Couldn’t agree more.
Internet accountability is nice in theory but what would happen if it became law? Every second person would be going to the authorities claiming to be a victim of some internet crime. Eventually someone will demand financial compensation and then the flood gates will open and the whole thing becomes a ludicrous cashcow for compensation cowboy firms.
As has been said this is simply about taking responsibility for your own actions, but it will never change. You will always get the players as much as you will always get the abusers.
Just because something isn’t illegal doesn’t mean that its right!
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