India coronavirus variant in the UK

Fishy..the threads put up I assume are those for jcers.

I speak facts in where I live and Country from.. even if States have different legislation.

During a pandemic not being irresponsible stating observation, and feelings or emotions. Every day our Doctor Fauci provides controversary statements which he is being called out on.

Tells all no longer need 2 or more mask inside outside but being seen wearing them still.

CDC has now stated no longer need if fully vaccinated.. masks. However Government officials in Congress and Senate being fined 500.00 if not wearing a mask. These are facts. I may not always provide links, but utube and watch news.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-and-autoimmune-drugs#1

kent f OBE wrote:

the information in that link suggests people on immunosuppressants receive the covid jab…..obviously I know there will be exceptions….because obviously Drac is one

Then the link is wrong, no doctor would reccomend this.

At best a vaccine wouldn’t do anything because I don’t have a functional immune system to be able to produce antibodies, and at worse it would kill me because I wouldn’t be able to prevent a weakened or modified virus from replicating.

I guess one benifit of the mRNA vaccines is that they can’t kill me unless the needle isn’t sterelised properly.

• This reply was modified 3 years, 4 months ago by  draculina. Reason: Dont post messages early morning

draculina wrote:

The mRNA vaccines produced by Pfizer and Moderna don’t do this, the mRNA is absorbed into your cells and instructs them to produce spike protiens similar to the ones that SARS-COV2 has. The spike protien is what the virus uses to trick cells into letting it enter so it can repoduce inside of them.

The main points of contention over this method are :

1. If the covid spike protien works as an antigen
2. How similar the spike protiens produced by the vaccines are to the real ones
3. If having only one type of antibody is enough to grant immunity to covid
4. How long the mRNA lasts in the body

The last one is different issue, which risks an immune cascade if there are top up vaccines every 6 months.

If there are any sane people reading thread then I will explain my thoughts on these points in more detail.

draculina wrote:

1. If the covid spike protien works as an antigen

I don’t understand the biochemistry involved in the antibody/antigen binding reaction to comment on this but other external proteins work as antigens so theres a good chance that the spike protien would as well.

If it doesn’t then there’s no way Pfizer or Moderna’s vaccines will work at all.

draculina wrote:

2. How similar the spike protiens produced by the vaccines are to the real ones

This is impossible to say, Pfizer and Moderna understandably keep their mRNA technology secret, and for some reason nobody is independently researching this.

draculina wrote:

3. If having only one type of antibody is enough to grant immunity to covid

Based on the fact that Pfizer and spokespersons for various governments have said that the vaccine only reduces the severity of the symptoms, this seems to be no. Binding with the spike protien looks to reduce the ability of the virus to reproduce, but it is still able to in smaller numbers.

There’s another issue with this that I didn’t mention, if the vaccine depends only on the spike protien antigen then any mutation to the spike protien may cause the vaccine to fail. Traditional vaccines have multiple antigens that a majority of which would have to mutate before the effectiveness of the vaccine is reduced significantly.

draculina wrote:

4. How long the mRNA lasts in the body

As far as I know this isn’t known, but is one of the concerns that prevented mRNA vaccines for other diseases being approved for use in humans in the past.

I think the mRNA should degrade within a few weeks, but if it is longer then the body will continue producing the spike protiens until this happens. This causes a continuous immune response which may cause symptoms such as fever, and reduces the ability of the immune system to respond to other (real) threats.

This is compounded if there are top-up vaccinations which may cause the accumulation of mRNA up to the point where the immunue system is overloaded and fails completely.

I will continue to mask, Social distance, and sterilize my surroundings for awhile as well. What I am merely trying to point out is the multitude of controversary and confusion of science presented. Aware no spot on solution for anything today, just like many tired, life must go on.