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If they are happy to not have heating so they can give it away then they don’t actually need the money to heat their home or only need enough to eat everyday if they can do that to send it away they can do it every week.
That applies to everyone on benefits not only immigrants btwSo, as a natural extension to your opinions, are you saying those on benefits can’t / shouldn’t buy birthday or Christmas presents then?
You see buying gifts for others from benefit money is tantamount to giving the benefits away in the vein as these immigrants are doing so in sending their benefit money “back home.”
So should the mum / dad on benefits not buy gifts for their kids / family / friends this Christmas? After all, gifts aren’t essential, are they?
@(f)politics? wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
@(f)politics? wrote:
As for involving god into the arguement, god set to work and created, he placed adam into the garden of eden to tend the garden, he made adam, he was created to fill several vocations he was a worker, it is part of his creation for humanity. he wants us to work and work with integrity, this in my opinion is how i interpret gods or the bibles choice for us.
Now I really do know you are mad.
But seeing as you state you are religious, then I take it you have never heard the story of the Good Samaritan?
Wasn’t Jesus put on this earth to help those who were in need (loaves of bread and fishes spring to mind) and the sick etc etc?
Like most religious ppl I know, you are one big hypocrite! “Do unto others as you would have done unto you” is lost on many religious ppl.
The true teachimgs of the bible are ok to many religious ppl as long as they don’t get in the way of modern living and the “I’m all right, feck you attitude.”
Still poli, I’m sure the odd trip to Church, and a Christian funeral service will ensure your “ressurection to eternal life.”
Panda for the love of god allah buddha satan christian bloody dior whatever you like rein your neck in, for starters whether i am religious or not is irrelevant, i actually said it was my interpretation of god / the bible i didnt actually state i was religious or who i chose to worship or not worship, so as i have said before dont think you know anything about me by what you read, i merely used the often used expression outside of an religious meaning “a god given right” and Gaz mentioned god in his reply so i followed his choice of direction and gave a different viewpoint. it was a debate and there was no personal insults flying just a healthy debate, try it sometime you may suprise yourself, alternatively try church yourself it may guide you in a direction away from being the bitter sounding woman you come across as, i cant believe you can be two so different people from chat to here goes to show i guess, and you call me a hypocrite ? … amazing! Now if i may politely ask you only reply to my posts if they are of a positive and useful or debating nature rather than an excuse to get ur silly personal digs in i would be greatful. ty
So unlike you, I’m not allowed to “challenge” an opinion based on my own interpretation of religion?
And like you, I’ll reply to any post I see fit, tyvm.
Blimey, Mr Gazlan, have you run out of reefer? You seem like the proverbial bull in a china shop just recently. You appear to believe that someone has put you in charge.
To get back to your main points, the law is the law. For obvious reasons already alluded to, you can’t have some people allowed to just opt out. It’s not fair. You may be a shining paragon that would do only good under such circumstances, and I do not disbelieve this for a moment, but not everyone is. The meek need protecting from the mighty. Lawmakers have long recognised this in every culture. If you don’t like a law, or the system that has evolved to create and manage the law, you generally have four options:
1) You can ignore it and take the consequences.
2) You can campaign to have it changed.
3) You can grumble but otherwise generally abide by it.
4) You can move somewhere else and begin the process again. That’s where the free bit comes in.As for the colour of your backside, I think it is germane. I’ve mentioned to you before, some of the people you have posted links to would quite happily see you deported or worse based purely on the colour of your bum. That Geordie bloke who lives in Germany was particularly terrifying.
@panda12 wrote:
@(f)politics? wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
@(f)politics? wrote:
As for involving god into the arguement, god set to work and created, he placed adam into the garden of eden to tend the garden, he made adam, he was created to fill several vocations he was a worker, it is part of his creation for humanity. he wants us to work and work with integrity, this in my opinion is how i interpret gods or the bibles choice for us.
Now I really do know you are mad.
But seeing as you state you are religious, then I take it you have never heard the story of the Good Samaritan?
Wasn’t Jesus put on this earth to help those who were in need (loaves of bread and fishes spring to mind) and the sick etc etc?
Like most religious ppl I know, you are one big hypocrite! “Do unto others as you would have done unto you” is lost on many religious ppl.
The true teachimgs of the bible are ok to many religious ppl as long as they don’t get in the way of modern living and the “I’m all right, feck you attitude.”
Still poli, I’m sure the odd trip to Church, and a Christian funeral service will ensure your “ressurection to eternal life.”
Panda for the love of god allah buddha satan christian bloody dior whatever you like rein your neck in, for starters whether i am religious or not is irrelevant, i actually said it was my interpretation of god / the bible i didnt actually state i was religious or who i chose to worship or not worship, so as i have said before dont think you know anything about me by what you read, i merely used the often used expression outside of an religious meaning “a god given right” and Gaz mentioned god in his reply so i followed his choice of direction and gave a different viewpoint. it was a debate and there was no personal insults flying just a healthy debate, try it sometime you may suprise yourself, alternatively try church yourself it may guide you in a direction away from being the bitter sounding woman you come across as, i cant believe you can be two so different people from chat to here goes to show i guess, and you call me a hypocrite ? … amazing! Now if i may politely ask you only reply to my posts if they are of a positive and useful or debating nature rather than an excuse to get ur silly personal digs in i would be greatful. ty
So unlike you, I’m not allowed to “challenge” an opinion based on my own interpretation of religion?
And like you, I’ll reply to any post I see fit, tyvm.
Sure panda “challenge” anything you like, just see if you can manage to do it without said challenge being based on abuse and general bitterness rather than challenging just the topic, i was with you in the first part regarding the good samaritan and then you had to go and make your whole reply pointless by chucking around hypocriteand generalising “religious people” and your assumptions of what you assume i think or do,well we all know what assume stands for .. right .? much better to have just asked the question got a reasonable answer and a healthy debate do you not think ?
You’ll notice i replied to this post because it was reasonable and without any personal abuse. tyOh dear Mr Pikey, have they gotten to you as well ? Believe someone has put me in charge ?
Of what might i ask. In charge of my own free thinking mind yes !Now, i don’t want to carry on repeating myself here, i will repeat one last time ok.
My point initially was ~ There is not a single person here can tell me a legitimate way in retracting my state ownership while remaining on this patch of earth commonly known as England. There was no mention of wanting to breach the law, of course as i have mentioned, i am free to do as i please, naturally there will be consequences should i breach the law.
As far as the idiot using the skin colour as part of any point to be made other than a valid non derogatory point, he is a small minded fool, this is plain to see by the following remarks made by this creature.
“The Geordie” bloke you refer to may have what could be considered extreme views yes, however, you might like to explain yourself with your following point ~some of the people you have posted links to would quite happily see you deported or worse based purely on the colour of your bum.~
How on this earth do you justify such a point ?
Now i hope this has made things crystal clear, so far every point i have made in this thread has been a valid point, it has not, nor can be disproved under the criterion described.Well Gaz looks like your fooked mate you are not free never will be free and in a similar boat to the rest of us :lol:
@gazlan wrote:
@(f)politics? wrote:
Panda for the love of god allah buddha satan christian bloody dior whatever you like rein your neck in, for starters whether i am religious or not is irrelevant, i actually said it was my interpretation of god / the bible i didnt actually state i was religious or who i chose to worship or not worship, so as i have said before dont think you know anything about me by what you read, i merely used the often used expression outside of an religious meaning “a god given right” and Gaz mentioned god in his reply so i followed his choice of direction and gave a different viewpoint. it was a debate and there was no personal insults flying just a healthy debate, try it sometime you may suprise yourself, alternatively try church yourself it may guide you in a direction away from being the bitter sounding woman you come across as, i cant believe you can be two so different people from chat to here goes to show i guess, and you call me a hypocrite ? … amazing! Now if i may politely ask you only reply to my posts if they are of a positive and useful or debating nature rather than an excuse to get ur silly personal digs in i would be greatful. ty
I Don’t recall you answering my question on your religious thinking regarding the use of usury.
Oh and in reply to this not a god damn clue mate :lol: I already told ya i aint the brightest button i though usary was to do with interest on loans whats that to do with religion ? :?
@(f)politics? wrote:
Well Gaz looks like your fooked mate you are not free never will be free and in a similar boat to the rest of us :lol:
Perhaps, but you will never see me bow my head. As i have said, i use their system and their funds to pay for the demands they make upon me. So you see, every cloud really does have a silver lining. :) :) :)
As far as usury is concerned, ignorance is no excuse i’m afraid, do some research perhaps.
@gazlan wrote:
Oh dear Mr Pikey, have they gotten to you as well ? Believe someone has put me in charge ?
Of what might i ask. In charge of my own free thinking mind yes !Now, i don’t want to carry on repeating myself here, i will repeat one last time ok.
My point initially was ~ There is not a single person here can tell me a legitimate way in retracting my state ownership while remaining on this patch of earth commonly known as England. There was no mention of wanting to breach the law, of course as i have mentioned, i am free to do as i please, naturally there will be consequences should i breach the law.
As far as the idiot using the skin colour as part of any point to be made other than a valid non derogatory point, he is a small minded fool, this is plain to see by the following remarks made by this creature.
“The Geordie” bloke you refer to may have what could be considered extreme views yes, however, you might like to explain yourself with your following point ~some of the people you have posted links to would quite happily see you deported or worse based purely on the colour of your bum.~
How on this earth do you justify such a point ?
Now i hope this has made things crystal clear, so far every point i have made in this thread has been a valid point, it has not, nor can be disproved under the criterion described.But your point was long ago agreed. You’re not completely free because perfect freedom would include the freedom to kill who you want, rape who you want and steal from who you want. That’d be a silly system. You are, however, free to challenge whatever you want or decide to leave. What’s the problem?
The Geordie bloke was clearly some sort of neo-nazi. It was your link. Don’t make me do anything as tawdry as finding the posts, I beg you, but he was exactly the sort of chap that would be grading the shade of a chap’s bum. You, with your arse-tone, living in Britain would be anathema. Despicable. But don’t expect me to take any of his other views with anything more than a pinch of salt.
@gazlan wrote:
@(f)politics? wrote:
Well Gaz looks like your fooked mate you are not free never will be free and in a similar boat to the rest of us :lol:
Perhaps, but you will never see me bow my head. As i have said, i use their system and their funds to pay for the demands they make upon me. So you see, every cloud really does have a silver lining. :) :) :)
As far as usury is concerned, ignorance is no excuse i’m afraid, do some research perhaps.
Too busy too tired and fed up with debating for one year Gaz soz, you’ll have to take my word for it when i say, my heads bowed on this one i dont care what it means, happy christmas xx
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