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What I’m saying Arc, is that if they had better healthcare in their own country (and could afford it), they wouldnt be coming to the Uk for it, that’s for sure.
There aren’t many countries that have better healthcare standards than the UK, and the ones that do usualyl spend a lot more per capita on it. But that isn’t a reason why they should get free care here if they haven’t paid into the system.
RankCountryHealth Care IndexHealth Care
Exp. Index1 South Korea 83.20 152.14 2 Netherlands 82.50 151.34 3 Taiwan 81.14 148.12 4 Austria 80.91 148.90 5 Thailand 80.66 147.46 6 Sri Lanka 80.04 146.12 7 Belgium 78.92 144.43 8 Japan 78.63 143.27 9 France 78.62 144.00 10 Germany 76.74 140.31 11 Spain 76.65 141.24 12 Malta 76.18 139.03 13 Denmark 75.45 139.21 14 Finland 74.85 136.08 15 Israel 74.78 136.91 16 United Kingdom 74.28 135.95 I am not a healthcare expert. I know little about it. But I do read and I do observe, like everyone else.
Drac, those two charts are meaningless.
One covers healthcare in 2019-20 fgs!
The other uses terms like a healthcare index and and a healthcare exp. index which don’t mean anything to most people. What are they? It doesn’t break down into emergency surgery, waiting times, different types of treatment for different problems etc. They are most likely a meaningless statistic.
You don’t give the source, or the year the source appeared; you don’t say whether these are out-of-date; you don’t provide an analysis of how dependable the stats are (lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that)
The health service funding has been rising but the needs are rising much more.
Hospitals are in a total state. Hospital beds in many places in the UK are in the corridors, and old people stay in hospitals for up to a year without any need because the govt has cut social care so savagely that the health funding now incorporates social care funding informally, making the rise in health spending a con. Mental health is an acknowledged disgrace, with a serious rise in suicides.
And the fall in public spending is set to get much worse in the next two years as part of the programme of the govt to reduce the debt caused by the 2008 crisis.
What I’m saying Arc, is that if they had better healthcare in their own country (and could afford it), they wouldnt be coming to the Uk for it, that’s for sure.
There aren’t many countries that have better healthcare standards than the UK, and the ones that do usualyl spend a lot more per capita on it. But that isn’t a reason why they should get free care here if they haven’t paid into the system.
RankCountryHealth Care IndexHealth Care Exp. Index1 South Korea 83.20 152.14 2 Netherlands 82.50 151.34 3 Taiwan 81.14 148.12 4 Austria 80.91 148.90 5 Thailand 80.66 147.46 6 Sri Lanka 80.04 146.12 7 Belgium 78.92 144.43 8 Japan 78.63 143.27 9 France 78.62 144.00 10 Germany 76.74 140.31 11 Spain 76.65 141.24 12 Malta 76.18 139.03 13 Denmark 75.45 139.21 14 Finland 74.85 136.08 15 Israel 74.78 136.91 16 United Kingdom 74.28 135.95 So you’re saying that the majority of ppl that come to the UK for treatment come from those countries?
Drac, those two charts are meaningless. One covers healthcare in 2019-20 fgs!
They are projections
The other uses terms like a healthcare index and and a healthcare exp. index which don’t mean anything to most people. What are they? It doesn’t break down into emergency surgery, waiting times, different types of treatment for different problems etc. They are most likely a meaningless statistic.
I didn’t look into exactly how it is calcuated, but these types of things are normally a weighted combinations of those factors.
You don’t give the source, or the year the source appeared; you don’t say whether these are out-of-date; you don’t provide an analysis of how dependable the stats are (lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that)
NHS funding and HCI rankings aren’t hard to find of google if you want to fact check me. I’m not writing a journal paper.
The health service funding has been rising but the needs are rising much more.
Pouring money into a broken system won’t make it better, but I don’t know what the solution is either.
So you’re saying that the majority of ppl that come to the UK for treatment come from those countries?
Nobody knows where they come from, or how many there are. The NHS doesn’t ask for ID when people are admitted.
That’s the problem.
The charts are meaningless. The health care index and health care exp index – whatever that is – look really good until you go into a hospital, where things look far form good.
You yourself have pointed out that the system is broken
Health tourists are now paying for non-essential treatment in some hospitals, and it’s hardly making a dent in the NHS deficit. It’s not doing much.
You say throwing money at a broken system is useless – which we all agree about – but more money is still needed, even with a more intelligent application.
But the admin needed for ID cards for us all – the potential threat to civil liberties which go with it, added to the amount of money needed for bureaucrats to administer all this ID health tourist etc could well cost more than treating them like everyone else.
The NHS is bad enough state wit9ut adding a massive layer of policing bureaucracy on top of it. The Chump approach – ha!
So you’re saying that the majority of ppl that come to the UK for treatment come from those countries?
Nobody knows where they come from, or how many there are. The NHS doesn’t ask for ID when people are admitted. That’s the problem.
I stick to what I said previously ; if they were getting it better at home (and they could afford it) , they wouldn’t be coming to the Uk for it.
Do you know for sure that they don’t ask for ID?
Have you considered the fact that they do maybe ask for ID .. and these people don’t have ID, as they’re refugees?
But the admin needed for ID cards for us all – the potential threat to civil liberties which go with it, added to the amount of money needed for bureaucrats to administer all this ID health tourist etc could well cost more than treating them like everyone else.
I didn’t even say that people should be refused treatment, but it is the only way to know if non-British nationals are a drain on NHS resources or not. I don’t see why it would cost any money at all, they already record the names of the people. Also writing there nationality doesn’t add much time to the process.
Do you know for sure that they don’t ask for ID?
I’ve never been asked for ID, as far as i’m aware of this isn’t something that is done.
Have you considered the fact that they do maybe ask for ID .. and these people don’t have ID, as they’re refugees?
People shouldn’t be let into the country if they don’t have proof of identity, but that is another issue. I don’t see why this would be a problem, if they don’t have ID then they would be listed as ‘N/A’ on records, along with British citizens who didn’t happen to have ID on them when admitted.
As I said in my reply to Scep, i’m not saying anyone should be refused treatment yet. Just that information on the scale of the problem should be gathered.
As I said in my reply to Scep, i’m not saying anyone should be refused treatment yet. Just that information on the scale of the problem should be gathered.
Even asking ID for 1 out of every 100 people admitted would identify any groups that comrprise more than 1% of admissions.
So you’re saying that the majority of ppl that come to the UK for treatment come from those countries?
Nobody knows where they come from, or how many there are. The NHS doesn’t ask for ID when people are admitted. That’s the problem.
I stick to what I said previously ; if they were getting it better at home (and they could afford it) , they wouldn’t be coming to the Uk for it. Do you know for sure that they don’t ask for ID? Have you considered the fact that they do maybe ask for ID .. and these people don’t have ID, as they’re refugees?
Bloss we are talking about health tourists NOT refugees … doh !!!
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