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4 June, 2007 at 6:09 am #272305
@ubermik wrote:
Lastly) I said if you want a job doing PROPERLY, so even if I did have an available woman to perform the act the rib quandry would still apply to it being done well, coz although we tell ickle wimminsey folks they are brill at it thats purely because were too lazy for ribremovalectomies and opt for the cop out of telling the little dears they have the hang of it to continue getting ok, average or substandard workwomanship rather than none :lol:
z) I’m still paying off the fine from last time I got caught trying to smear next doors poodle in marmite and remove all of its teefies :?
A) But they dont NEED training, you just have to be creative with how and where you serve their dog food :wink:
Obviously another man who has never had a woman who knows what she’s doing, or are you just another man who has never had a woman? :P :P :P :P
4 June, 2007 at 8:04 am #272306@pinkyoda wrote:
@ubermik wrote:
Lastly) I said if you want a job doing PROPERLY, so even if I did have an available woman to perform the act the rib quandry would still apply to it being done well, coz although we tell ickle wimminsey folks they are brill at it thats purely because were too lazy for ribremovalectomies and opt for the cop out of telling the little dears they have the hang of it to continue getting ok, average or substandard workwomanship rather than none :lol:
z) I’m still paying off the fine from last time I got caught trying to smear next doors poodle in marmite and remove all of its teefies :?
A) But they dont NEED training, you just have to be creative with how and where you serve their dog food :wink:
Obviously another man who has never had a woman who knows what she’s doing, or are you just another man who has never had a woman? :P :P :P :P
Lol, Obviously you’re someone who buys into “go girl” post modern feminist nonsense it seems
Ok, to put it into perspective
Most men it seems think ANY BJ is a good one, most also WOULD rather repeatedly get an average one on a regular basis than none at all, most men also DO tell women they are “super fabbo at them” when either they arent, or simply because they dont know the difference between a good one and an average unimaginative one
Many women dont actually ENJOY doing them, they do them because of what it gets them in return, because they feel its expected or “normal” to do them, because they know men like them, because they know men DONT like to NOT get them and a whole host of other eroneous reason
But as with cunnilingus, someone who actually enjoys felating tends to be far better than someone who doesnt, someone with imagination will be better than someone with none and unfortunately that does seem to rule out most women as I would guess if it were possible for a woman to reach her own slime chute THAT would also be better than “most” if not all men, as nobody knows what THEY like at any given moment in time any better than them themselves which is common sense really and SHOULD go without saying
But to put a bit of blatant logic in response to your reply
A man who HASNT had a woman who knows what she is doing wouldnt KNOW most are pretty drole, average and unremarkable at doing them, to THAT man even the crappiest BJ would seem amazing. To realise they arent you have to have had some that ARE amazing
Which is hardly surprising really considering that even most BJ’s depicted in porn films are actually pretty crap and ininspiring anyway, so its hardly like young men are bombarded with knowledge about what makes for a GOOD schlong chobbling really to begin with
On the flip side tho, although pretty much every woman alive THINKS they are fabulous at them, thats merely because of what they will have been repeatedly told by countless men who would rather have had those average or substandard blow jobs rather than say otherwise and risk the woman acting like a woman and going on a BJ blockade in protest as is a common reaction amongst ickle wimminsey folks when theyre “fabulousness” at such things is called into question
Infact, most women would whinge like a stuck pig if men put as little effort and imagination into going down on them as they show during a BJ lol
So now I DO know the difference, have experienced it from quite a few partners but they are far from the majority it would appear, most are just pretty ordinary at doing them, some pretty crap but ALL “think” they are “super” at them no matter how good or dreadful they really are
But it does seem the case that the women who truly are exceptional are also the ones who are less likely to ever say so, whereas the more someone does comment on how “excellent” they are the worse they seem to be at them for some strange reason :?
4 June, 2007 at 8:08 am #272307Infact, if you REALLY want to put some perspective on the subject
MOST women have never made a man have an orgasm even accidentally, wouldnt have the faintest idea how to make a man have an orgasm and dont even know men CAN have an orgasm
4 June, 2007 at 9:46 am #272308@ubermik wrote:
Infact, if you REALLY want to put some perspective on the subject
MOST women have never made a man have an orgasm even accidentally, wouldnt have the faintest idea how to make a man have an orgasm and dont even know men CAN have an orgasm
Look at my mouth (avatar)! Do you honestly think with lips made for the ‘job’ I would be rubbish? I know I’m good and not because I have been told so, I don’t need to hear words to know I’m the best! :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
4 June, 2007 at 9:59 am #272309Well that sentiment, belief AND what its based on pretty much applies to every woman alive
And a picture of a pair of lips is a bit irrelevant really dont you think?
Infact the visually most sexually attractive men and women are quite often the least sexually enjoyable for a start and men and women far less obviously attractive will often be the more sensuous and sexual. So mere aesthetics mean nothing, and the belief that they do count for something is often part of the reason people ARE so dull between the sheets or on the kitchen table for that matter
So no, looking at a picture of your lips is totally eroneous, says nothing whatsoever and if you think it does then youre extremely mistaken
As for what you’ve been told, try asking men who you havent slept with AND who dont want to sleep with you what THEY tell women who arent “all that” on the helmet worshipping department
“the best at……” in most cases really just means “the person who has just been…….”, its actually quite comical so many women dont know that or choose to believe it to protect their fragile egos lol, especially considering they do it themselves anyway quite frequently
I noticed you didnt respond to the orgasm comment tho lol :wink:
Pensive on that one eh? :lol: :wink:
4 June, 2007 at 1:23 pm #272310Ok Mr. Ubermik you asked for it!
For a start Mr. Ubermik It seems to me that you are a little obsessive to say the least on the subject of your sexual fulfilment. I am guessing you have been let down on many occasion in the bedroom department. Maybe this is because of your longing to analyze everything that is happening to you in detail to the said woman at the time instead of enjoying what is actually happening to you.
You insinuate I think ‘I’m all that’. Well I am not all that, I was merely making light of a light hearted topic, and your statement about good looking people being rubbish in bed is very misinformed. What on earth has peoples looks got to do with the fact if they can satisfy their partner in bed or not? I get the impression you have had a very boring sex life, and have you ever thought a woman might not be satisfying you in the ‘bj’ section as she is not that into you and is just trying to speed things along.
The same rule for life in general, is the same for sex, ” you only get out of it what you put into it”, and basically if you are boring in bed your partner is not going to put much effort in either.
As for the orgasm comment, I didn’t respond as I just saw it as a thrown in statement because you were getting stroppy on the subject. (maybe a bit of pent up frustration).
Anyway I will respond with the comment of ..what a load of b*******!
My explanation of this is as follows:
Mr. Ubermik you seem to have had lots of bad experiences with women as you generalise them to all being the same. I, along with many women who hate boring sex and have had a satisfying sex life, do know a man does not need to ejaculate to have an orgasm and this can be achieved in many ways. Maybe if you found an understanding woman who would take the time to find out your erogenous zones and what turns you on, you will also begin to realise this.
Your ‘orgasm’ comment, sounds a mixture of frustration and sour grapes.Anyway M. Ubermik this thread is getting longer and longer, we are never ever going to agree.
Time for a new subject please, I’ll be kind and let you pick.
:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P4 June, 2007 at 1:40 pm #272311Actually no, its a discussion site, and this topic has arrived on a thread so I’m “discussing it”
As youre rapidly retreating from discussing the topic I wont respond in full, but a few points
The good “looking people” comment is one I’ve heard quite literally thousands of times from both men and women over the years and it seems the most common explaination is the ego and self absorbtion of the good looking person making them selfish sexual partners
As with anything, if it was merely my own observation I’d just assume I could have chosen a partner more effectively, so a wholly incorrect assumption there
Had I said NO good looking people were good in bed or that only fuglies were then youre comments and eroneous assumptions might have been relevant to what I’d written, as I didnt say either of those things they werent
Even the “what you put in” comment isnt acurate, talk to any couples or relate councillor and they will tell you that. Many people just dont KNOW how to give, some through lack of experience, some because of ego, some because of sexual or emotional issues and some just simply because theyre selfish and think sex is JUST about them or take the “WHEN I get what I want THEN I will reciprocate” view, then end up waiting a VERY long time to name just a few of the more common ones
The orgasm comment wasnt anything at all as you would have liked it to have been, it was a completely serious question expecting a serious answer
Firstly I dont do frustrated, and secondly I dont do emotional where merely discussing a topic on an internet discussion site is concerned, its a web site not real life or anything ever relevant or important
So the orgasm point, its not bullshit at all. unless of course as do about 90% + of women you are labouring under the delusion that a man EJACULATING is him having an orgasm, which isnt the case, thats why its CALLED ejaculating to begin with you see
Both men and women ejaculate AND orgasm, the two can happen independtantly of each other or together, and most men have never been brought to orgasm and never will AND most women wouldnt know where to begin trying to get a man to an orgasm, ejaculation is far easier by comparison
So agreement is a bit of an impossibility unless youre actually talking from a position of fact and demographics rather than from one of assumption really
But if you will insist on readong [artially inclusive statements as totalitarin ones then even I would disagree with me lol, but I tend to stick to what people have actually said rather than what I would prefer them to have said, it makes a lot more sense when trying to have an adult discussion on an adult topic and avoids menopausal tizzy fits, name calling and illinformed social all inclusive assumptions
Obviously we wont agree on methodology either it would seem from your last post lol
4 June, 2007 at 1:55 pm #272312Oh yeah, one last point
Can you find a single sentence where I have mentioned MY sexual fulfillment?
As far as I knew it was an objective discussion on a general topic, or were you having a specifically subjective one then instead?
One persons experience is to any general topic like a raindrop in an ocean as far as relevance or preceedence is concerned and as such isnt indicative of anything other than their own miniscule personal experience of a broad and diverse topic so its hardly worth even including really as its a tad worthless
IE, if one person has a good sex life that doesnt mean millions dont, and vice versa
Similarly, the fact that SOME attractive people are considerate attentive lovers doesnt mean all the people who have found the opposite with many of them are lying, just that they have either dated totally different attractive people or have differing sexual preferences
Whereas you seem to be talking as tho one person, any person whos experience agrees with the view you already hold is proof of every single other person in a select sub category of mankind and that to say otherwise is just “wrong”
But then again, you also thought a picture of your lips was some indication of sexual prowess too didnt ya lol :wink:
4 June, 2007 at 3:42 pm #272313@ubermik wrote:
So the orgasm point, its not Hot Chocolate at all. unless of course as do about 90% + of women you are labouring under the delusion that a man EJACULATING is him having an orgasm, which isnt the case, thats why its CALLED ejaculating to begin with you see
Both men and women ejaculate AND orgasm, the two can happen independtantly of each other or together, and most men have never been brought to orgasm and never will AND most women wouldnt know where to begin trying to get a man to an orgasm, ejaculation is far easier by comparison
So agreement is a bit of an impossibility unless youre actually talking from a position of fact and demographics rather than from one of assumption really
PLEASE READ PROPERLY
I said “Mr. Ubermik you seem to have had lots of bad experiences with women as you generalise them to all being the same. I, along with many women who hate boring sex and have had a satisfying sex life, do know a man does not need to ejaculate to have an orgasm and this can be achieved in many ways. Maybe if you found an understanding woman who would take the time to find out your erogenous zones and what turns you on, you will also begin to realise this”
You will find (if you did read properly) that I agreed with you on the orgasm comment!This is getting rather unhealthy having a discussion about male orgasm ffs!
I come on here for a laugh and from your other posts I see you can have a joke ( punchline etc..) However you are taking this way to serious.. and I’m sorry but it’s just not in me to be writing novels about the male orgasm!
Anyway I’m going back to being me, yeah me! nowt special, big lipped pink yoderish me! I cant be doing with all this seriousness!
If it makes you happy you can say you outwitted me in a battle of orgasms lolAnyway until next time Dr. Ubermik have a nice orgasm!(and you don’t even have to ejaculate if you don’t want to)
:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
xx
4 June, 2007 at 3:54 pm #272314The original point I made was that most women ARENT exceptional at BJ’s, infact most will tend to be about averageish with very poor and very exceptional being the minorities, that point you criticised and refuted
However, it its NOT the case then no man WOULD have to look for a woman who would be “understanding” because according to you they already are so “looking” should never ever be necessary should it? So why suggest it?
Fair ppint about it being a “sort of” serious discussion tho, and perhaps the reason your posts have seemed hystyrical, defensive and irrational is actually because you werent trying to sensibly and objectively discuss the topic in hindsight so that would be a mistake on my part
But what you have actually been disagreeing with is impirical data from studies and surveys performed over several decades including hundreds of thousands of people rather than my own person experience which hasnt been included in the discussion even once, so rather than me its hundreds of scientists sociologists, counsellors and various other proffessionals you’ve been accusing of talking nonsense, I was merely relaying their findings lol
Ho hum
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