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@emmalush wrote:
@slayer wrote:
Modern day slavery is about human trafficking (trading many eastern european females into western european brothels) which is rife
How do they get here?
Overland by lorry I guess Emma. :P
@Emmaflush wrote:
EXCELLENT point PB. Whites are the badies…
For the avoidance of doubt, this (race related) point was absolutely NOT the point I was making Emma. Skin colour / race had nothing to do with whether a person served in the Royal Navy – particularly the Africa Squadron.
Although I suspect that quite a large number of ordinary seamen were from overseas countries and not necesarily from the UK, this in no way detracts from the point I was making.
A few facts about slaves you all seem to have missed.
Muslims in North Africa enslaved A million or more European Christians between 1530 and 1780
Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves.
They were America’s first slaves. These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were. This slavery was even hereditary. White children born to White slaves were enslaved too.
Slavey was not just a “black” issue.
And it never went away.
http://www.devp.org/slavery/bondage.html
DoA
“Up to half of all the arrivals in the Americas colonies were white slaves”-
actually DoA most were criminals- America was a penal colony long before Australia was even thought about.
More interestingly ALL black arrivals in the Americas were slaves- hence the issue. There is no denying that white slavery existed but as an exception not the rule
…. and here’s one for the PC merchants..
Australia was principally populated by convicts sent over from our jails. So the decendants of original (not Aboriginal) Aussies are all bloody crooks. This explains why they keep on winning the Ashes.
Criminals?
Ok just for Slayer
In 1700-century Britain you could be deported and give a life imprisonment for stealing a loaf of bread or what we now we call “shop lifting”.
You know I am getting a bit p iss off with the conman view that “slavery” was just a “black” issues.
It’s the same has saying only “Jews” died in the gas chambers of world war 2 or that only men die in wars.
This is not American, we did not have large numbers of salves here, there was no need for them when we could work and starve our only people to death.
Most people didn’t make it past 25 years old back in 1700-1800, and for most people who lived in the UK at the time; Africa could have been the Mars.
I just wish people would stop placing modern day pc views on 200 year old events.
Did anybody see the Royal command performance by Mr Toyin Agbetu in Westminster Abbey yesterday???
It was during the bi-centennial commemoration service to mark the abolition of the slave trade when the 39 year old Mr Agbetu suddenly strode out onto the altar in the middle of the church service and started shouting at the congregation “you should be ashamed” and “this is an insult to us.”
Mr Agbetu is a representative of Ligali (pronounced lee-ga-lee) which is the African BritishEquality Authority. They are a Pan African Human Rights Organisation that challenge the misrepresentation of African people and culture in the British media. Their remit is to actively campaign for cultural, economic, political and social justice on behalf of the African community.
It was not much of a surprise to the congregation that he utterly failed to express his anger towards those African chiefs who grew fat through the capture and sale of their kith and kin for trinkets.
But hey …. why let the facts get in the way of a nice bit of publicity seeking !!!
@forumhostpb wrote:
Did anybody see the Royal command performance by Mr Toyin Agbetu in Westminster Abbey yesterday???
It was during the bi-centennial commemoration service to mark the abolition of the slave trade when the 39 year old Mr Agbetu suddenly strode out onto the altar in the middle of the church service and started shouting at the congregation “you should be ashamed” and “this is an insult to us.”
Mr Agbetu is a representative of Ligali (pronounced lee-ga-lee) which is the African BritishEquality Authority. They are a Pan African Human Rights Organisation that challenge the misrepresentation of African people and culture in the British media. Their remit is to actively campaign for cultural, economic, political and social justice on behalf of the African community.
It was not much of a surprise to the congregation that he utterly failed to express his anger towards those African chiefs who grew fat through the capture and sale of their kith and kin for trinkets.
But hey …. why let the facts get in the way of a nice bit of publicity seeking !!!
I cannot and shall not be quoted on this but!. . . . . . (Nice words PB. . . and well observed. . . . )
Spin. . . We are seeing so much of it somehow the real issues are seemingly lost, Taken in the context it’s meant its becoming harder and harder for the common man to see whats right. . . . is he lead by opinion or majority
what is right in the eyes of another or his own beliefs?
Pandoras box is it not?
I think it’s right that the abolition of the Transatlantic slave-trade should be commemorated. In fact there ought to be an annual day to educate people about the horrors of the slave trade and to inform people about modern forms of slavery. People say that it all happened a long time ago but so did the Battle of Trafalgar and that didn’t stop the UK from commemorating that. The actions of William of Orange and Guy Fawkes took place long before the abolition of the slave-trade but they are annually commemorated in the UK.
Another reason why the, “it all happened such a long time ago” argument doesn’t stand up to scrutiny is that we still commemorate events that happened in WWI & WWII. Is the Cenotaph going to be destroyed once the bicentennial of the Armistice is reached? Is the museum at Auschwitz going to be destroyed on the centennary or bicentennary of VE day?
I also don’t buy the argument that African collaboration in the slave-trade somehow diminishes the responsibility that Europe and America have for slavery. Some people collaborated with the Nazis too, does this mean that we shouldn’t be critical of what the nazis did? Slavery wasn’t illegal in the US or UK, but then again the persecution of Jews wasn’t illegal in Nazi Germany and the gulags weren’t illegal in the USSR.
You may ask why the Transatlantic slave-trade is still a relevant issue in the 21st century. The reason it’s usually brought up is in response to pompous comments about Africa/colonialism, or in relation to modern forms of oppression and exploitation. Has the racial prejudice and ignorance of Africa that existed 200 years ago disappeared? Not really. Has the exploitation of Africa stopped? No. The truth is that most people still know very little about Africa, the continent is still being plundered and the racist beliefs that existed 200 years ago are alive and well in the UK. The prejudice is even worse in the USA.
So, it’s right that the UK commemorates the end of one of the most disgusting affronts to humanity that the world has ever seen. Some people estimate that more than 20 million people were taken as slaves. It was a diabolical trade that impacted on several nations and destroyed millions of lives. It is one of the darkest chapters in human history and probably the most shameful in British history. Would people prefer it all to be swept under the carpet like the Turks do with the Armenian genocide? We should never forget this act of evil.
@Mr Bigstuff wrote:
The truth is that most people still know very little about Africa, the continent is still being plundered and the racist beliefs that existed 200 years ago are alive and well in the UK. The prejudice is even worse in the USA.
Welcome back mr bigastuff.
What racist beliefs? I want an English dictionary definition of racist belief that occured 200 years ago against African people.
So, it’s right that the UK commemorates the end of one of the most disgusting affronts to humanity that the world has ever seen.
Who should fund it?
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