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@sharongooner wrote:
@sweetasbaileez wrote:
Back to the serious stuff……………… Apologise for what exactly :?: :?: Do we hear the south africans saying sorry for the murder of white farmers :?: :twisted: :?: That was the weay of the world back then.. the strong ruled with fists of iron and the weak capitulated.. Except now the roles are reversed and Britain begs for forgiveness on bended knee for doing everything..including giving the British the right to breath :!:
Including saying sorry for not being a minority…….
Well we are now aren’t we :!: :!: Except where I live.. we only have one coloured family and they live in the next village (although I have to say its the illegals and lazy barstuds I really really hate ) …… We have no kosovans, poles arabs ect ect…..I love it here :wink: :roll: :!:
We now have a multitude of backgrounds, must admit the majority of them are no problem. I dont particularly like it when I can understand the Africans, as they speak not in a different language, but completely different accent with different words (slang). Still, the robbers are still notoriously the local gypsies and smack heads (bless em).
I still get cross when there are so many people I know waiting for decent housing on the council list, yet I see foreigners being moved in week in week out. Cool if they want to mix (I make all my neighbours feel welcome with a big hello and offer them round for parties and drinks etc) but if they choose not to mix that is a problem. Specially after I offer the hand of friendship :twisted:
It is right that some recognition of the evils of slavery be marked 200 years after the slave trade was abolished.
What we are recognising is that a terrible wrong was perpetrated by some humans against others. Slavery has had a lasting effect on world demographics.
But the wrongs were committed by and against people who all died over a century ago. We do not need to apoplogise because all the people who should have apologised are long dead, as are all the people they should have apologised to.
We are all, in a sense, beneficiaries of history, whether it be good history or bad history. We owe the line of ancestry that led to our very existence to past wars, tragedies etc.
Many of us would not be here had it not been for the First World War, for instance. Many of the young men who died in that war might, if the war hadn’t happened, lived to marry the girls who became our grandmothers / great grandmothers, meaning that we’d never have been born but someone else would have.
The same is true of slavery. It set the unique patterns of descent that led to the births of most of the Afro-Carribean and Afro-American alive today. What we should be remembering about slavery is the terrible injustice and cruelty, just like we remember with the holocaust.
What we need to take from this bicentenary is a determination never to let anything like this happen again. But we do hear of East European girls being people trafficked as sex slaves, people in debt in India who end up as bonded labourers (basically slaves), people in China being thrown in jail to work as prison labourers.
Bas, I do believe it to be a mistake to constantly hark back to the past, with the benefit of our so-called 20th / 21st Century morality, wringing our hands in an orgy of shame and recrimination.
By today’s standards some people (only some mind) would consider ‘slavery’ wrong or immoral, but back in the 18th Century (when slavery was rife) it was not considered ‘wrong’. Along came William Wilberforce and his Clapham Sect of evangelising Christians and started his well known campaign to abolish slavery – as far as British ships were concerned. It didn’t find much resonance in America at the time did it?
But he also fought against the appalling standards in the factories of the time – are we to aplogise for that? He was a founder member and ardent supporter of the Society for the Suppression of Vice, but prostitution still goes on today. Are we to apologise for this as well???
This business of finding a cause and then campaigning for politicians to ”say sorry” for it is nothing more than a cheap political stunt solely designed to grab the Media headlines.
Still it suppose it gives the chattering classes something to agonise over …. and keeps them off the streets looking for East European prostitutes.
@forumhostpb wrote:
Bas, I do believe it to be a mistake to constantly hark back to the past, with the benefit of our so-called 20th / 21st Century morality, wringing our hands in an orgy of shame and recrimination.
By today’s standards some people (only some mind) would consider ‘slavery’ wrong or immoral, but back in the 18th Century (when slavery was rife) it was not considered ‘wrong’. Along came William Wilberforce and his Clapham Sect of evangelising Christians and started his well known campaign to abolish slavery – as far as British ships were concerned. It didn’t find much resonance in America at the time did it?
But he also fought against the appalling standards in the factories of the time – are we to aplogise for that? He was a founder member and ardent supporter of the Society for the Suppression of Vice, but prostitution still goes on today. Are we to apologise for this as well???
This business of finding a cause and then campaigning for politicians to ”say sorry” for it is nothing more than a cheap political stunt solely designed to grab the Media headlines.
Still it suppose it gives the chattering classes something to agonise over …. and keeps them off the streets looking for East European prostitutes.
Let me shake your hand PB…the voice of reason still lives :!: :!:
@bassingbourne55 wrote:
What we are recognising is that a terrible wrong was perpetrated by some humans against others.
That happens EVERY day, hundreds, thousands of murders EVERY year.
YOU B55 MUST appologise for all the wrong doings.
Just where do you stop…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/politics_show/default.stm
37 mins:
The politics show reporter, a Sahjeef yole said “the true overall statistics are unknown, but the figures are merely a fraction of the total number of London’s 200 year involvement in the slave trade, and its reckoned that over that period London grew wealthy from the traficking of over one MILLION AFRICANS“.He emphasised the words “one MILLION AFRICANS…”
Home Office Minister Baroness Scotland said “our real concentration should be on, how do we make sure this never happens again, how do we deal with modern day slavery and how do we change the lives of so many people who are still being victimised by it”.
Modern day slavery?
White people are the badies…
@emmalush wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/politics_show/default.stm
37 mins:
The politics show reporter, a Sahjeef yole said “the true overall statistics are unknown, but the figures are merely a fraction of the total number of London’s 200 year involvement in the slave trade, and its reckoned that over that period London grew wealthy from the traficking of over one MILLION AFRICANS“.He emphasised the words “one MILLION AFRICANS…”
Home Office Minister Baroness Scotland said “our real concentration should be on, how do we make sure this never happens again, how do we deal with modern day slavery and how do we change the lives of so many people who are still being victimised by it”.
Modern day slavery?
White people are the badies…
Emma hun, you read too much into things- my view is clear earlier on this issue.
Stating London (and many other cities) grew wealthy during the 17th and 18th century partly due to the slave trade is an historical fact and cannot be denied.
Modern day slavery is about human trafficking (trading many eastern european females into western european brothels) which is rife, the conditions and bonds on mnay workers in China and India which is in effect slavery, the taking of hostages across sub saharan Africa and using them as slaves- I dont see how us whiteys are “baddies” in todays slave society however it is symptomatic of the world we live in that slavery still flourishes, albeit to a much less degree than 200 years ago
I heard on the radio today that a number of British institutions made a fortune out of slavery 200+ years ago – anongst them the Church of England ffs !!!
Apparently when slavery was abolished, slave owners were compensated for every slave that they released into ”freedom”. This amounted to many many thousands of pounds – which then was a whole lot of money. It was said that the foundation of today’s wealth of Universitys, Churches and the like was built on the proceeds of slavery.
BTW – spare just a brief thought for the 2,000 sailors etc who died putting an end to the practice of slave trading. They were members of the Royal Navy’s African Squadron (which had 30 ships and was 4,000 strong) and they were tasked with hunting down the heavily armed slave traders.
The practice of slavery in Africa had been going on for centuries and it was the Royal Navy that helped to put an end to it by preventing them from being shipped abroad.
The tree huggers, the chattering classes, the great unwashed, and the general wankers from the intelligentia, all of whom wring their hands in ersatz grief and shame, won’t be remembering these guys will they?
Who is going to apologise for their deaths???
@slayer wrote:
Modern day slavery is about human trafficking (trading many eastern european females into western european brothels) which is rife
How do they get here?
BTW – spare just a brief thought for the 2,000 sailors etc who died putting an end to the practice of slave trading. They were members of the Royal Navy’s African Squadron (which had 30 ships and was 4,000 strong) and they were tasked with hunting down the heavily armed slave traders.
The practice of slavery in Africa had been going on for centuries and it was the Royal Navy that helped to put an end to it by preventing them from being shipped abroad.
The tree huggers, the chattering classes, the great unwashed, and the general wankers from the intelligentia, all of whom wring their hands in ersatz grief and shame, won’t be remembering these guys will they?
Who is going to apologise for their deaths???
EXCELLENT point PB. Whites are the badies…
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