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    @drivel wrote:

    Okay I shall reply to Geoffs post too .

    You have all got it wrong about Hargreaves – he’s a bit of a work horse – does the donkey work okay – but put him up against a world class midfielder he’ll be taken apart – you can’t count the last 2 matches against poor opposition

    I still think Gerrard is better out wide – he needs more room – when the middle of the park is congested he’s not as effective – as he like to run at people

    Lennon is still learning – although he could be a great player one day – it’s all head down and charge for the line
    Most premership left backs have him sussed – he’s not half as effective for Spurs

    Our problem is we don’t have a great midfielder in England – someone to put his foot on the ball in the middle of the park – Platini style – or to a lesser effect Hoddle style

    So what were them performances in the world cup by Hargreaves then? Why did he also get voted Fans Best Player for England, then?

    Gerrard is better in the centre, and always will be…Again, look at him for Liverpool…As for Lennon, what are you going on about? The player has great creative ability as well as great skill and technique on the ball…He has been a menace in all the games he has starred in for us, including world cup appearences, and also creating chances.

    The future line up could be, Lampard or Hargreaves, with Gerrard in the midde, with Joe Cole out wide left, with Lennon wide right…But at the moment, it should be Hargreaves with Gerrard in the middle…I think this is a more likely midfield in the very near future.

    As for, “Our problem is we don’t have a great midfielder in England – someone to put his foot on the ball in the middle of the park”..When Gerrard picks up his form for international level, then i’m sure, and most others will be sure, that he will be the man…We don’t have a great midfielder for that role :lol:. What are you on…Seriously…But anyway, that midfield I just pointed out is a more likely midfield in the near future!

    #239977

    having a conversation with a friend tonight, and i ended up agreeing with him

    England are nothing short then boring

    every 2 years, its always the same, we start of well against poor oppisition, we win a group we are expected to win, the media get hopefull, the fans get hopefull, and they just let us down, and lose the bottle when it comes down to the stage where it matters

    we can talk about the team for as long as we like, whos great.. whos poor.. end of the day, we are rubbish when it comes down to it, and probably won’t win anything for a long time, and partly to blame is the media hype put on england, the team in the world cup was too over confident.. time to re address a few things, strong words have got to be said from people higher up, and somones got to take the blame for poor performance followed by poor performance.

    #239978
    Matty wrote:
    having a conversation with a friend tonight, and i ended up agreeing with him

    England are nothing short then boring

    every 2 years, its always the same, we start of well against poor oppisition, we win a group we are expected to win, the media get hopefull, the fans get hopefull, and they just let us down, and lose the bottle when it comes down to the stage where it matters

    we can talk about the team for as long as we like, whos great.. whos poor.. end of the day, we are rubbish when it comes down to it, and probably won’t win anything for a long time, and partly to blame is the media hype put on england, the team in the world cup was too over confident.. time to re address a few things, strong words have got to be said from people higher up, and somones got to take the blame for poor performance followed by poor performance.

    Individuals who get a massive wage packet every week…Footballers now a day think mostly about the money..Money comes first, football comes second..It’s why they will only stay at clubs if they pay up! And for me, that becomes a major factor in international football, especially for us!

    So, in my humble view, the players must take responsibility for alot of it, but also, Sven had to take some of it, especially in this world cup that has just gone.

    #239979

    agree with matty and robbo (sadly to say)

    #239980

    @robbo wrote:

    Individuals who get a massive wage packet every week…Footballers now a day think mostly about the money..Money comes first, football comes second..It’s why they will only stay at clubs if they pay up! And for me, that becomes a major factor in international football, especially for us!

    So, in my humble view, the players must take responsibility for alot of it, but also, Sven had to take some of it, especially in this world cup that has just gone.

    As Ian Wright said, “It’s time they started playing for the sake of the shirt“.

    #239981

    Prattle on all you like Robbo – WE DONT HAVE A GREAT MIDFIELDER IN THE RANKS – Gerrard is a power player , he’s not a foot on the ball , total control player

    Until we do produce a great centre midfielder then we wil not win a thing
    We have had more skillfull player in the past who hardly got a look in on the England team – Tony Currie , Stan Bowles , Frank Worthington – to name but a few

    Colin Bell was an awesome player – if you think Gerrard has energy , you shoudl have seen that guy play

    Another factor has to be our goalkeepers – we are pretty low on good English goalkeepers – most of the keepers on the premieship are now foreigners
    Robinson just doesn’t do it for me – then what’s the alternatives after that ?

    Then with this WHU fiasco – bringing in 2 players on the cheap – only for them to be resold next year – I hope soccer isn’t going to take this route – it’s a blueprint to disaster

    #239982

    @drivel wrote:

    Prattle on all you like Robbo – WE DONT HAVE A GREAT MIDFIELDER IN THE RANKS – Gerrard is a power player , he’s not a foot on the ball , total control player

    Until we do produce a great centre midfielder then we wil not win a thing
    We have had more skillfull player in the past who hardly got a look in on the England team
    – Tony Currie , Stan Bowles , Frank Worthington – to name but a few

    Colin Bell was an awesome player – if you think Gerrard has energy , you shoudl have seen that guy play

    Another factor has to be our goalkeepers – we are pretty low on good English goalkeepers – most of the keepers on the premieship are now foreigners
    Robinson just doesn’t do it for me – then what’s the alternatives after that ?

    Then with this WHU fiasco – bringing in 2 players on the cheap – only for them to be resold next year – I hope soccer isn’t going to take this route – it’s a blueprint to disaster

    You don’t have a clue..You are slating real good players..Do you actually watch football? It is not at all ANYTHING to do with skill..You don’t HAVE to have skill to proceed…Gerrard is one of the best midfielders in the world, and I cannot believe that you are even attempting to find excuses to slate him. Robinson is a very very good goalkeeper, a goalkeeper that any team in the world would love to have between there goal posts. Who gives a fu.ck about these other players you are mentioning..This is all about the present, not the past. Football is alot faster now, a more up to speed game…You barely get a second on the ball in this generation of football. Your comments are very strange and bizarre.

    There is no alternative..We have amazing quality and depth in our team..The only thing I can think of is its a passion thing..The drive, which they fail to show…And I still believe its because the average wage for an England international is about 40 to 50 grand a week, probably more than that, as in AVERAGE pay…As I said..Money comes first to these internationals now…Football is second priority…If you don’t believe me, then look at how they all demand more money and what not..It’s crazy crazy madness!

    #239983

    @robbo wrote:

    @drivel wrote:

    Prattle on all you like Robbo – WE DONT HAVE A GREAT MIDFIELDER IN THE RANKS – Gerrard is a power player , he’s not a foot on the ball , total control player

    Until we do produce a great centre midfielder then we wil not win a thing
    We have had more skillfull player in the past who hardly got a look in on the England team
    – Tony Currie , Stan Bowles , Frank Worthington – to name but a few

    Colin Bell was an awesome player – if you think Gerrard has energy , you shoudl have seen that guy play

    Another factor has to be our goalkeepers – we are pretty low on good English goalkeepers – most of the keepers on the premieship are now foreigners
    Robinson just doesn’t do it for me – then what’s the alternatives after that ?

    Then with this WHU fiasco – bringing in 2 players on the cheap – only for them to be resold next year – I hope soccer isn’t going to take this route – it’s a blueprint to disaster

    You don’t have a clue..You are slating real good players..Do you actually watch football? It is not at all ANYTHING to do with skill..You don’t HAVE to have skill to proceed…Gerrard is one of the best midfielders in the world, and I cannot believe that you are even attempting to find excuses to slate him. Robinson is a very very good goalkeeper, a goalkeeper that any team in the world would love to have between there goal posts. Who gives a fu.ck about these other players you are mentioning..This is all about the present, not the past. Football is alot faster now, a more up to speed game…You barely get a second on the ball in this generation of football. Your comments are very strange and bizarre.

    There is no alternative..We have amazing quality and depth in our team..The only thing I can think of is its a passion thing..The drive, which they fail to show…And I still believe its because the average wage for an England international is about 40 to 50 grand a week, probably more than that, as in AVERAGE pay…As I said..Money comes first to these internationals now…Football is second priority…If you don’t believe me, then look at how they all demand more money and what not..It’s crazy crazy madness!

    FFS Robbo – get a grip lad I’m not slatign Gerrard – he is a good footballer – but not a great footballer – we don’t have any great footballers
    look at Brazil tonight – pure skill – we don NOT have 1 player comes near their skill

    I love watching English football – its fast and furious – but take it to the International stage and we can’t compete 1966 – that’s 40 years ago now Robbo I know you’ll need a calculator to work it out but believe me

    #239984

    @drivel wrote:

    @robbo wrote:

    @drivel wrote:

    Prattle on all you like Robbo – WE DONT HAVE A GREAT MIDFIELDER IN THE RANKS – Gerrard is a power player , he’s not a foot on the ball , total control player

    Until we do produce a great centre midfielder then we wil not win a thing
    We have had more skillfull player in the past who hardly got a look in on the England team
    – Tony Currie , Stan Bowles , Frank Worthington – to name but a few

    Colin Bell was an awesome player – if you think Gerrard has energy , you shoudl have seen that guy play

    Another factor has to be our goalkeepers – we are pretty low on good English goalkeepers – most of the keepers on the premieship are now foreigners
    Robinson just doesn’t do it for me – then what’s the alternatives after that ?

    Then with this WHU fiasco – bringing in 2 players on the cheap – only for them to be resold next year – I hope soccer isn’t going to take this route – it’s a blueprint to disaster

    You don’t have a clue..You are slating real good players..Do you actually watch football? It is not at all ANYTHING to do with skill..You don’t HAVE to have skill to proceed…Gerrard is one of the best midfielders in the world, and I cannot believe that you are even attempting to find excuses to slate him. Robinson is a very very good goalkeeper, a goalkeeper that any team in the world would love to have between there goal posts. Who gives a fu.ck about these other players you are mentioning..This is all about the present, not the past. Football is alot faster now, a more up to speed game…You barely get a second on the ball in this generation of football. Your comments are very strange and bizarre.

    There is no alternative..We have amazing quality and depth in our team..The only thing I can think of is its a passion thing..The drive, which they fail to show…And I still believe its because the average wage for an England international is about 40 to 50 grand a week, probably more than that, as in AVERAGE pay…As I said..Money comes first to these internationals now…Football is second priority…If you don’t believe me, then look at how they all demand more money and what not..It’s crazy crazy madness!

    FFS Robbo – get a grip lad I’m not slatign Gerrard – he is a good footballer – but not a great footballer – we don’t have any great footballers
    look at Brazil tonight – pure skill – we don NOT have 1 player comes near their skill
    I love watching English football – its fast and furious – but take it to the International stage and we can’t compete 1966 – that’s 40 years ago now Robbo I know you’ll need a calculator to work it out but believe me

    Did you not watch Brazil in the world cup? They were rubbish! And the fact being is that, just maybe, if we had that manager in charge ahead of Sven, then maybe we could have done better, but it’s a question that we cannot answer. Sven was a disaster in this world cup..But we have GREAT players, and Joe Cole is one, Gerrard is another, Rooney is another..Our back line is one of the best, if not, the best in the world..Brazil have Ronaldino and Kaka…They are there technically gifted players…But we also have our technically gifted players too..So quit with the dull posts, because Joe Cole and Rooney are players who can put there foot on the ball and make magical moments…I question your judgement on players you consider good, but not great…Personal opinion, but a very good one.

    #239985

    I was talking mainly about midfielders , but if we do have one world class player then that is Rooney
    Joe Cole has been wasted at Chelsea , as has S Wright Phillips , they need to play more often- Chelsea are ruining it for the English players there

    What I mean about putting the foot on the ball – is sitting in midfield – being a magnet for the ball – beating players with little movement and spreading the ball about – Platini type Hoddle type
    we don’t have a player like that – ours all run around 100 mph as if their arrises are on fire !!!

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